# Georgia - Pig ignorant racists and proud of it! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 25, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483 "2015-09-25T14:10:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/101 "2015-09-29T00:58:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > But if some one wants to wave, burn, or tear into rags any flag or book I’m not so primitive as to cry about it, behead others, or cause a ruckus in the Pit. Hey, dipshit: _that’s every single post you’ve made to this thread._ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/102 "2015-09-29T01:12:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > OK, I’ll use small words as my Official Liberal Good Deed of the Day (3 points, because **octopus** is \*really \*stupid): I totally support the right of anybody to wave, burn or tear to rags any flag they want. In fact, the easier it is to get and display the Flag of Traitors, the easier it is to identify the fuckwits flying it. What I **do** object to is a state in the Union giving **official sanction** , _in any way_, to said Flag of Traitors and Pig Fuckers. > > Clear? So wave your flags all you want. It just displays your stupidity and lack of Moral Fiber. You write as if “traitor” is inherently evil. We are a nation founded by slave owning traitors and you are proud of that. But since they are your traitors and slave owners that’s cool. Yet I’m the dumb one. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/103 "2015-09-29T01:14:33Z")
Jebus, you’re dense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/104 "2015-09-29T01:15:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yet I’m the dumb one. Yes. Yes you are. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/105 "2015-09-29T01:20:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yes. Yes you are. I’d wager by any testable metric I’m more intelligent than most in this board and judging by your commonly demonstrated lack of reading comprehension you as well. But winning an argument on the Internet is as we all know like winning the Special Olympics there is only so much effort I’m willing to put forth in any one post. At least I have demonstrated that I’m not such a pussy that a cloth puts me in vapors. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/106 "2015-09-29T01:28:55Z")
A few years ago, the Virginia state supreme court upheld the confederate flag license plate as “free speech”. Now it is gone – suddenly no longer free speech? WTF? It’s just an image of an antique flag! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/107 "2015-09-29T03:51:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > At least I have demonstrated that I’m not such a pussy that a cloth puts me in vapors. Someone who’s not a pussy probably would have been too busy with long-distance spitting and log rolling to bitch about people bitching about a piece of cloth. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/108 "2015-09-29T04:17:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’d wager by any testable metric I’m more intelligent than most in this board Why do you insist in posting like a dolt, then? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/109 "2015-09-29T04:49:39Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Why do you insist in posting like a dolt, then? In the original thread I posted on in Great Debates concerning the Confederate Flag and how it’s not intrinsically evil and whoever flies, displays, or collects may have their own reasons for doing so, the responses to my post were idiotic. The reading comprehension displayed by many in that thread was at the elementary school level or worse. The logical fallacies and thoughtless ad-hominem attacks were frequent. The general tone of many threads is snarkiness and unearned self-righteousness. People who make broad generalizations as to the mindset of individuals who have individual reasons for doing what they do are the ones that post like a dolt. I give people the benefit of the doubt especially for things like the Confederate Flag that are relatively commonplace in certain local environments. I’m not going to say person X who grew up watching Dukes of Hazzards in Alabama is a pro-slavery racist because he has a Confederate Flag belt buckle. Too many knuckleheads in this echo chamber don’t. And yet they hold themselves up as paragons of tolerance and modernity. I just find the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty funny. People who’ve read my posts know I’m no fan of the Confederacy. But I’m not going to go thru life looking to be triggered or outraged so I can then point my finger at others and laugh at them with my ‘tribe’ of fellow left wing loons. Left wing loons that have no interest in freedom and desire an orthodoxy of loony thought commonly referred to as political correctness. I dislike it because it’s not an attempt to improve society it’s an attempt to dictate the bounds of debate and control thought through the control of language. And if you interpret a rejection of that premise as posting like a dolt and if you interpret a failure to jump on the bandwagon of self-righteous outrage as posting like a dolt you are free to do. With the subject of should the state support the promotion of a symbol of a rebellion against itself? The least harm to society would be act to as if that symbol was no big deal instead of making the issue bigger and more powerful then it is. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/110 "2015-09-29T07:11:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You write as if “traitor” is inherently evil. We are a nation founded by slave owning traitors and you are proud of that. But since they are your traitors and slave owners that’s cool. Yet I’m the dumb one. Yes, you’re dumb. You’re so incredibly stupid that you believe that bullshit you posted. For one thing, not all the people who founded the nation supported slavery. In fact, there was a compromise made between those who wished slavery abolished and those who wished to have slavery continue in the new nation. That was actually for the constitution. The new nation was founded by those who, as mentioned earlier, were fighting originally to be treated like Englishmen by the English government. Now about the UK flag: It’s the flag of a sovereign nation, one with which the USA not only has diplomatic relations with but also one which is an ally of the USA. The same goes for the flag of Japan. The confederate flag was not the flag of a sovereign nation. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/111 "2015-09-29T12:41:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You do not know much about the [Constitution of the United States of America](http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A4Sec4.html), do you? It does not matter what each state calls itself (commonwealth, dominion, etc.), the simple fact is that each of the fifty states in the US is a republic. California, therefore, is a republic and its flag proudly announces that fact. Are you saying the [Bear Flag Republic](California Republic) is a hoax, or that you have a squirrel’s concept of history? California rebelled and won her independence from Mexico\* _before_ the USA got involved. She was a sovereign nation until **John Charles Frémont** showed up. Her flag still reflects this state of independence, just hers are a kind and generous people who know the USA would collapse without her. I’m surprised you think yourself capable to comment on the slavery issue without knowing that. Frémont was the Republican abolitionist candidate, not Lincoln. - = Although Mexicans were sick of Mexico as well, Gen. Vallejo all but joined in the revolt. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/112 "2015-09-29T13:11:54Z")
You, without a doubt, are an utter moron. Yes, I know full well that the Bear Flag Republic existed. Contrary to your asinine “interpretation” of history, it was not in opposition to the United States of America. And, of course, once California was admitted to the Union, it, as stated, was required to be a republic. And you’re going on about Lincoln? Last I heard, that particular individual was not involved in either the American Revolution nor in the writing and adoption of the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/113 "2015-09-29T15:10:54Z")
Well, allowing that plate back certainly is stupid, and doesn’t do the state’s image any favors. But: 1. It’s probably not going to affect the number of racists running around the state positively or negatively, it’ll just make it easier for them to be potentially\* spotted. H. I don’t think the folks in Atlanta’s mini-Hollywood who produce my cartoons are likely to be responsible for putting the people who decided this in power. ♐. I don’t believe in collective punishment in general. So, I’m still gonna watch my cartoons, despite how dumb the average voting Georgian is. But fuck peaches, they’re no good unless they’re in preserves and mixed with butter on toast. There, I said it. \*Not everyone with say, an old Georgia state flag front plate is a racist. In fact, they may be just [Burt Reynolds](https://www.78ta.com/store/product.php?productid=4) fans. Yeah, they’re not mutually exclusive, but you should always be sure of the particular type of idiot you are dealing with before you jump to conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/114 "2015-09-29T15:43:16Z")
If it is just a old state flag you could make a case. But this plate is _specifically_ support for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an openly neo-confederate, racist organization. So the conclusions don’t jump so much as stand next to and point. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/115 "2015-09-29T16:40:32Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If it is just a old state flag you could make a case. But this plate is _specifically_ support for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an openly neo-confederate, racist organization. So the conclusions don’t jump so much as stand next to and point. 😉 Actually, they’re a historical re-enactment society that recreates Civil War battles with their \*Northern \*counterparts. You paint with really broad strokes when you assume anything that observes past heritage is doing it out of racist goals. SCV includes European participants, because some European countries had mercenary companies fight in the Civil War. There were also black regiments that fought for the south. They’re represented as well. Not all southerners supported the CSA, if you’ve ever read history. Some supported the Union because they thought a united federal government was better. Not all who fought for the south supported slavery; they were too poor to afford them. The South had issues with the North that were related more to taxes and extent of federal power that went way back to before the USA was officially founded. To attribute the war to only racism is short-sighted and reactionary, and betrays ignorance about the issue. It makes you resemble the racists. There’s also societies that recreate the Revolutionary War. Not because they hate the British, but because it was an important part of American history. Try researching the context before you make ASSumptions. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/116 "2015-09-29T16:49:06Z")
Riiiight. And those Revolutionary recreationists all demand that the British flag appear on the state license plate, with the proceeds to benefit the New Queen’s Grenadiers Reinactment Society. Spin it any way you want - it won’t change the fact that the SCV was founded by, supported by, and is currently governed by racists. That is self-evident to anybody who bothers to read their website. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/117 "2015-09-29T17:05:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If it is just a old state flag you could make a case. But this plate is _specifically_ support for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an openly neo-confederate, racist organization. So the conclusions don’t jump so much as stand next to and point. 😉 I was specifically referring to the mention of the old state flag front license plates mentioned earlier in the tread. That was clear in my post, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/118 "2015-09-29T17:06:46Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Actually, they’re a historical re-enactment society that recreates Civil War battles with their \*Northern \*counterparts. You paint with really broad strokes when you assume anything that observes past heritage is doing it out of racist goals. > > SCV includes European participants, because some European countries had mercenary companies fight in the Civil War. There were also black regiments that fought for the south. They’re represented as well. Not all southerners supported the CSA, if you’ve ever read history. Some supported the Union because they thought a united federal government was better. Not all who fought for the south supported slavery; they were too poor to afford them. The South had issues with the North that were related more to taxes and extent of federal power that went way back to before the USA was officially founded. To attribute the war to only racism is short-sighted and reactionary, and betrays ignorance about the issue. It makes you resemble the racists. > > There’s also societies that recreate the Revolutionary War. Not because they hate the British, but because it was an important part of American history. Try researching the context before you make ASSumptions. I’m sure some SCV are reenactors. [But that’s not the purpose of their society](http://www.scv.org/): > [@](#): > > The citizen-soldiers who fought for the Confederacy personified the best qualities of America. The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South’s decision to fight the Second American Revolution. The tenacity with which Confederate soldiers fought underscored their belief in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. These attributes are the underpinning of our democratic society and represent the foundation on which this nation was built. > > Today, the Sons of Confederate Veterans is preserving the history and legacy of these heroes so that future generations can understand the motives that animated the Southern Cause. So they’re denying history. The desire to protect & expand slavery was the #1 reason for Secession, as recorded by those who seceded. The SCV have the right to be wrong; I’m sure it’s hard to admit most of your non-slave owning ancestors were fooled into fighting & dying for the rich men. (Not all of them did. The CSA began conscription before the Union did & there were always deserters. As well as a few who rode north & put on the blue.) But it’s sad that Georgia knuckled under & allowed their traitorous symbol to go back on state license plates. The Battle Flag was never the primary flag of the CSA; it was adopted by segregationists when the Civil Rights movement began. The SCV wanted the State of Texas to do the same;[the Supreme Court said no](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_v._Texas_Division,_Sons_of_Confederate_Veterans), in a decision that came out about the time of the Charleston shooting. Besides the Usual Liberal Suspects, Clarence Thomas voted against the SCV. We’ve definitely got some unreconstructed old rebels down here, but anybody wanting a flag beyond Old Glory can always fly the Lone Star. Many choose both; the Mexican flag is also seen next to the Lone Star. Anyone who wants to fly the Battle Flag on private property is free to do so. Any opinions that choice inspires may also be freely expressed. Thanks, Georgia, for making Texas look good! Will you take Ted Cruz off our hands? ([And not all Union Reenactors live Up North.](http://www.texascooppower.com/texas-stories/life-arts/engaged-in-history)) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/119 "2015-09-29T17:14:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You write as if “traitor” is inherently evil. We are a nation founded by slave owning traitors and you are proud of that. But since they are your traitors and slave owners that’s cool. Yet I’m the dumb one. > [@octopus](#): > > People who make broad generalizations as to the mindset of individuals who have individual reasons for doing what they do are the ones that post like a dolt. The irony, it burns. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483/120 "2015-09-29T18:26:22Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The irony, it burns. You apparently are unaware of what irony means. You ought to ask in GQ. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-pig-ignorant-racists-and-proud-of-it/732483.md?page=7)