# Georgia purges 1 in 10 voters from voter rolls

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [October 10, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742 "2018-10-10T10:58:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/201 "2018-10-13T21:03:00Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> I wouldn’t even do that.
> 
> First of all, the Census counts them where they are. If you don’t let them vote where they are, that artificially boosts how much the votes of the non-prisoners count.
> 
> Second, over the past few decades, there’s been an increasing tendency to warehouse prisoners in rural prisons far from the communities they had been part of - often even in distant states, thanks to the proliferation of private prisons. This is a bad thing, because it makes it harder for family and friends to visit them, and makes it harder for them to maintain ties to the community they will eventually be rejoining, reducing the likelihood that they will be able to successfully rejoin society.
> 
> If the residents of rural towns where a prison is located know that the prisoners will vote there, there’ll be some long-overdue pushback against this trend.

Hmmm, or some very surprising upsets when rural areas suddenly turn blue.

Is part of the reason for putting these prisons in rural areas actually to boost the population for enumeration, or is that just a minor side effect?

Personally, were I given dictatorial powers over voting and enfranchisement (yes, contradiction in terms, I know) I would do enumeration based on the number of people who vote, rather than the number of people who live in an area. Would get politicians to suddenly want people to vote, even if they weren’t going to vote for them.

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**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/202 "2018-10-13T21:18:55Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> Voting should be considered a way to participate in the sovereign community that guides the welfare of the nation. A felon shows not just indifference to the welfare of the nation but his outright hostility to it.

A felon has shown hostility to the welfare of his victim, unless the felony was manslaughter, in which case he has shown a short temper or bad judgment. He may be just fine with the nation.

I don’t know why anyone would vote except out of civic obligation. Trying to subvert the country with one vote is such a long shot that it’s not worth the effort.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/203 "2018-10-13T21:57:54Z")

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We are told, in tones of offended dignity, that of course those people on The List can vote! Just, you know, provisionally, while we confirm their legitimacy.

Georgia permits three days for the process. What steps have been taken to prepare for thousands of provisional voters to be investigated, all inside of three days?

Suppose they can’t be, what happens then? Mr Kemp, he decides? He could say, well, shucks, couldn’t git 'er done! Darn shame about that, law is the law, sucks to be you?

After all, Mr Kemp is duly elected, its his official function, he’s not the kind of man to shirk his duty by recusing himself like a coward! Suppose he wins by a few thousand votes, and there are yet thousands of provisional ballots, but the overworked bureaucracy can only plow through a few hundred in three days. He gets to say, OK, stop counting, take 'em out and burn 'em? I win, voice of the people, mandate!

'Course, Dems could sue over this flagrant theft, take it all the way to the Supreme…oh. Right.

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/204 "2018-10-14T01:33:19Z")

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ME: Felon disenfranchisement has its roots in English common law, and in Greek and Roman law begore that.

SDMB: But it also was used during Jim Crow, and that’s more recent, so racism!

Yeah, that is logic, all right.

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**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/205 "2018-10-14T13:34:40Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> And let’s not overlook yesterday’s Supreme Court decision, which [disenfranchised a nontrivial chunk of North Dakota voters](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scotus-lets-north-dakota-enforce-full-voter-id-law-for-upcoming-midterms) by a means clearly aimed at Native Americans living on reservations:  
> Per [RBG’s dissent](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpHzmAgWsAE2FKp.jpg), about 70K ND residents lack qualifying ID, and about 18K of them don’t have supplemental ID that would meet the requirements of the law that the Supreme Court allowed to take effect.
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> This is a totally unreasonable requirement, and of course here a particular minority is clearly being targeted. (Yeah, like they’re going to try this in WV or PA or KY, where the people being excluded by virtue of not having standard street addresses would largely be rural whites. Let me know when that happens.)

And all they would need is “If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.”

So you’re saying 18K people in ND don’t have at least ONE of these? They don’t get checks from any government including the tribe, don’t have a utility bill, don’t have a bank statement, don’t have a paycheck, or any other tribal document showing and address. That would also mean they don’t have a driver license.

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/206 "2018-10-14T14:48:13Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> ME: Felon disenfranchisement has its roots in English common law, and in Greek and Roman law begore that.
> 
> SDMB: But it also was used during Jim Crow, and that’s more recent, so racism!
> 
> Yeah, that is logic, all right.

Slavery has its roots in ancient civilization, as far back as we can uncover, and probably longer ago that that.

Therefore no form of slavery is ever based on racism.

That’s _your_ logic, right there.

We are talking about the specific laws as they are. And those specific laws have their specific roots in disenfranchising the black vote. You can talk about historical examples of similar laws all day, and that will still have no bearing on these laws as the are written, why they were written, who they are written by, and how they were enforced.

Do you deny that felony disenfranchisement was used with the intent of weakening the black vote in the south(and not just the south)? If you do, well, there’s no help for that, you have chosen to pursue your preferred narrative of history, and nothing will disaude you of that. If you don’t, then name the exact year that that practice stopped.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/207 "2018-10-14T14:56:42Z")

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> [@postpic200](#):
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> And all they would need is “If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, **or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address** ); or a paycheck.”
> 
> So you’re saying 18K people in ND don’t have at least ONE of these? They don’t get checks from any government including the tribe, don’t have a utility bill, don’t have a bank statement, don’t have a paycheck, or any other tribal document showing and address. That would also mean they don’t have a driver license.

Bolding mine.

Yes, I’m saying that if your ID doesn’t have a residential address because you don’t \*\*have \*\*a residential address, your supplemental forms of ID won’t have a residential address either.

Funny how that works.

But given that there’s a separate thread about the North Dakota disenfranchisement, let’s continue this discussion over there, 'kay?

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/208 "2018-10-14T15:33:34Z")

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> [@k9bfriender](#):
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> Slavery has its roots in ancient civilization, as far back as we can uncover, and probably longer ago that that.
> 
> Therefore no form of slavery is ever based on racism.

No, no —because chattel dlavery in the United States was explicitly race-based.

That’s _my_ logic, right there.

> [@](#):
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> We are talking about the specific laws as they are. And those specific laws have their specific roots in disenfranchising the black vote. You can talk about historical examples of similar laws all day, and that will still have no bearing on these laws as the are written, why they were written, who they are written by, and how they were enforced.

Nope. Those laws derive from their common-law ancestor laws, not any independent desire to disenfranchise blacks.

> [@](#):
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> Do you deny that felony disenfranchisement was used with the intent of weakening the black vote in the south(and not just the south)?

Yes!

> [@](#):
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> If you do, well, there’s no help for that, you have chosen to pursue your preferred narrative of history, and nothing will disaude you of that.

You mean the version of history based on written evidence? Yes. That one’s the one I believe.

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**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/209 "2018-10-14T16:30:20Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> No, no —because chattel dlavery in the United States was explicitly race-based.
> 
> That’s _my_ logic, right there.

And you are saying that Jim Crow era laws were not?

I suppose you are also saying that _only_ blacks could be slaves, and that _all_ blacks were slaves.

> [@](#):
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> Nope. Those laws derive from their common-law ancestor laws, not any independent desire to disenfranchise blacks.

Yeah, and slavery was justified by the Bible.

Those laws were based on ancient laws, but they were intended to prevent blacks from voting.

> [@](#):
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> Yes!
> 
> You mean the version of history based on written evidence? Yes. That one’s the one I believe.

How about the version of history where the people who made these laws explicitly said [why they made them?](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/08/20/jim-crow-s-lasting-legacy-at-the-ballot-box)

> [@](#):
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> In 1901, delegates drafting a new constitution for Alabama knew their mission. “Within the limits imposed by the Federal Constitution,” convention president John B. Knox explained, the delegates aimed “to establish white supremacy in this state. If we should have white supremacy, we must establish it by law — not by force or fraud.”
> 
> Unable to explicitly ban black voters without violating federal law, the resulting state constitution declared persons “convicted of a felony involving moral turpitude” could not vote without having their rights restored.

It’s like arguing that the civil war wasn’t about slavery, when there is written statement by the people who succeeded that say explicitly that slavery is the reason that they are succeeding. It’s just a sad attempt at re-writing history to get the narrative that supports you.

Let me see if this is clear. You are claiming that there was never any attempts at disenfranchising blacks in the south? That all laws passed, poll taxes, poll tests and the like, were simply derived from common-law, and were never independently intended to prevent blacks from voting?

If you are not making that claim, can you tell me the exact year in which southern states stopped making any attempts at suppressing the black vote?

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**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/210 "2018-10-14T16:38:57Z")

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> [@k9bfriender](#):
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> It’s like arguing that the civil war wasn’t about slavery, when there is written statement by the people who succeeded that say explicitly that slavery is the reason that they are succeeding.

Some people say that slavery is why they failed 🙂

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/211 "2018-10-14T17:04:52Z")

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> [@](#):
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> …and then the poll guy handed the black man the front page of a Chinese newspaper and said…
> 
> “Awright, here’s the literacy test! What does that newspaper say?”  
> “Says that this here Negro ain’t voting in Mississippi today.”

- punch line to old joke

Ah, traditional values! Gotta love 'em! No, really, you\* gotta\*, ain’t no choice about that.

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**Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/212 "2018-10-15T00:09:00Z")

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> [@slash2k](#):
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> Every state has a chief election official at the state level with ultimate responsibility for the conduct of elections; while the scope of his/her authority varies, in no state does a county board have primary authority.

Right, and in my state, it’s the State Board of Elections, which is an _independent agency_, with NO connection to the to the Secretary of State.

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**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/213 "2018-10-15T11:05:57Z")

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> [@Not\_Carlson](#):
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> > [@Shodan](#):
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> > Resolved: The state of Georgia has a legitimate interest in maintaining its voter rolls and **taking reasonable steps to ensure that people vote in their county of residence.**
> 
> (Bolding and underlining mine.)  
> But their methods are _NOT_ ensuring that people vote in their county of residence.  
> They are _impeding_ people from voting in their county of residence.
> 
> . . .
> 
> I asked you in the pit thread what you thought of the various claims presented in the OP article.  
> Since you indicated your preference to discuss the issue in this thread, let me ask again.

Hey there, **Shodan**.  
In the parallel Pit thread you expressed doubt about the veracity of the OP article.  
I asked you to clarify what particular claims in the article you found doubtful, or what evidence you had uncovered to counter those claims.  
When you didn’t respond I PM’ed you to invite you back to the discussion.  
You indicated your preference to not return to the Pit thread and instead discuss it here.  
Accordingly, I posted my questions to you here, but still haven’t heard your response.

So, to keep it simple:

1. Did you actually read the article?
2. What particular claims of the article do you dispute?

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/214 "2018-10-15T11:54:52Z")

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[Note to mods: these excerpts here are just a small part of a much larger piece.]

I’m not sure if anyone’s already brought this up in the thread, [but](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/abrams-kemp-bring-long-running-war-over-voting-rights-to-georgia-governors-race):

> [@](#):
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> In 2010, activists in tiny Quitman, Georgia undertook an absentee ballot push to boost black turnout. That helped African Americans win a majority of seats on the Brooks County education board for the first time in history.
> 
> The result shocked many locals — and aroused Republicans’ suspicion.
> 
> The local district attorney, whose deputy was one of the white school board members, demanded an investigation. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Kemp’s office [Georgia Secretary of State] proceeded to question hundreds of voters and arrest a dozen activists — all of them black, and three of them newly elected members of the school board.
> 
> The state failed to find evidence that the activists had coerced anyone’s vote or committed any voter impersonation. But they kept pushing, arguing that some had still violated the law by helping people fill out their ballots or by mailing in others’ sealed ballots. One woman was prosecuted because she’d helped her disabled and partially blind father fill out his ballot. Another, the sister of a women elected to the school board, faced 33 felony charges — and potentially a century of jail time. After two mistrials and four years of stress, she was acquitted in 2014, ending the investigation without a single guilty verdict.
> 
> But the damage was done. Some of those accused lost their jobs. One person died while under indictment. The three school board members were temporarily suspended from their positions.

And:

> [@](#):
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> After the 2012 elections, the Georgia State Election Board, which Kemp heads as secretary of state, claimed that a local black official in Douglas County may have violated the law by showing a new voter how to use the county’s electronic voting machine. The board spent three years investigating her, and local officials spent another three trying her on felony charges. She was officially acquitted in 2018. The jury deliberated for just 20 minutes before finding her not guilty.

And:

> [@](#):
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> Shortly after the Shelby County decision, Kemp sent a letter to the counties advising them that this meant they no longer had to check in with the feds before closing down local precincts. That’s led to a rash of precinct and early voting closures.
> 
> According to an analysis by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 214 polling places have been shuttered statewide since — 8 percent of all polling places in Georgia. They’ve been disproportionately in rural, poorer, and blacker counties.
> 
> Republicans argue those closures are simply cost-saving measures.

And:

> [@](#):
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> As Abrams geared up for her big voter registration push in 2014, she says she reached out to Kemp’s office to work with them to make sure she was doing everything by the book. Kemp sent staff to help train her organizers.
> 
> After receiving a few complaints alleging misbehavior by employees of Abrams’ group, Kemp’s office met with her staff in early summer to work further on best practices.
> 
> Over the summer, as her group submitted tens of thousands of voter registrations, Republicans grew increasingly nervous that Abrams’ push would pay immediate dividends. Gov. Nathan Deal (R) and Carter were neck-and-neck in gubernatorial polls, and Abrams’ friend Michelle Nunn (D), the daughter of former Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA), was mounting a credible Senate bid.
> 
> In September Kemp suddenly pounced, publicly accusing Abrams’ group of “significant illegal activities” and slapping them with a subpoena. It became Georgia’s largest voter fraud investigation this decade.
> 
> “We launched a formal investigation and found significant proof of fraud,” a Kemp spokesman said as the office began its investigation that September. “We need to get to the bottom of this fraud.”
> 
> That claim turned out to be mostly bunk, and the investigation came up mostly empty. Just a few dozen voter registrations were found to be potentially fraudulent out of the tens of thousands of applications. Kemp’s own investigator found that while some low-level field staff may have screwed things up, Abrams was not at fault — and there was no conspiracy by organization leaders.
> 
> But the investigation had a chilling effect, sliming her group’s efforts just before the election and forcing them to spend time and money fighting Kemp’s investigation rather than registering voters.

In short, Kemp deserves absolutely no benefit of the doubt for what he’s doing now. He’s got a long track record of hostility towards minority voting, and has used his office in a way that embodies that hostility.

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But it’s LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEgal.

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**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/216 "2018-10-15T16:11:29Z")

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> [@Not\_Carlson](#):
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> Hey there, **Shodan**.  
> In the parallel Pit thread you expressed doubt about the veracity of the OP article.  
> I asked you to clarify what particular claims in the article you found doubtful, or what evidence you had uncovered to counter those claims.  
> When you didn’t respond I PM’ed you to invite you back to the discussion.  
> You indicated your preference to not return to the Pit thread and instead discuss it here.  
> Accordingly, I posted my questions to you here, but still haven’t heard your response.
> 
> So, to keep it simple:
> 
> 1. Did you actually read the article?
> 2. What particular claims of the article do you dispute?

Hello.

Just to keep it simple -

1. Yes.
2. From the article -

> [@](#):
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> Suspiciously, Kemp sent no notice to these citizens after he took away their voting rights.

No one had their voting rights taken away, and the process whereby people are notified has been discussed rather extensively.

Also -

> [@](#):
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> These registration cancellations are therefore dead wrong and, say voting law experts, coldly break the law.

To which an appropriate response has already been posted.

> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#):
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> But it’s LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEgal.

With which I agree.

It is pretty much as I said - leftwing fruitcake posts a leftwing fruitcake article about a leftwing fruitcake lawsuit on a leftwing fruitcake website, and the SDMB falls for it, hook, line and sinker. So my question about what really happened has been asked and answered.

Regards,  
Shodan

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**Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/217 "2018-10-15T17:09:50Z")

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On behalf of left-wing fruitcakes everywhere, we thank you for your respectful tone and civil discourse. However, we are currently being slandered as violent mobs of raving and dangerous lefties, and you may wish to update your stereotypewriter.

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> … we are currently being slandered as violent mobs of raving and dangerous lefties, and you may wish to update your stereotypewriter.

Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

Red pandas are more closely related to raccoons than to bears, while we’re on the subject of total non sequiturs.

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But giant pandas are bears. The two kinds of “panda” aren’t particularly related to each other (well, beyond the fact that bears and raccoons aren’t all that far-separated).

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