# Georgia purges 1 in 10 voters from voter rolls **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 10, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742 "2018-10-10T10:58:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/221 "2018-10-15T20:38:29Z")
However, a fully structured trebuchet can fling a panda up to 200 yards, making it far superior to the catapult for ballistic applications of adorable animals. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/222 "2018-10-15T20:47:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But giant pandas are bears. The two kinds of “panda” aren’t particularly related to each other (well, beyond the fact that bears and raccoons aren’t all that far-separated). Look, just bear with him for a moment, OK? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/223 "2018-10-15T20:49:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > However, a fully structured trebuchet can fling a panda up to 200 yards, making it far superior to the catapult for ballistic applications of adorable animals. You’ve totally lost your bearings here. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/224 "2018-10-15T21:21:13Z")
“Catapult” is a general term. A trebuchet is one kind of catapult. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/225 "2018-10-15T22:03:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You’ve totally lost your bearings here. 😛 Don’t panda to these dummies. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/226 "2018-10-15T23:47:55Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Don’t panda to these dummies. 😉 You’re right, I shouldn’t. They’re unbearable. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/227 "2018-10-16T14:36:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > 1. Yes. > 2. From the article - No one had their voting rights taken away, and the process whereby people are notified has been discussed rather extensively. > > Also - To which an appropriate response has already been posted. With which I agree. > > It is pretty much as I said - leftwing fruitcake posts a leftwing fruitcake article about a leftwing fruitcake lawsuit on a leftwing fruitcake website, and the SDMB falls for it, hook, line and sinker. Shodan, We get it. It’s _probably, maybe, technically_ legal. I which case I guess the lawsuit being made against Kemp for voter suppression will fail. Although I see that he was successfully sued in 2016 for voter suppression via the exact-match tactic, before he later managed to get it put into law. But you dismissed the whole issue as baseless hysteria and Liberal fruitcakery. Let’s look at the title of the article: > [@](#): > > GOP’s Brian Kemp Purged 1 in 10 Georgia Voters: I’ve Got the Names Do you dispute the number of voters purged from the rolls? Do you dispute that Palast has a list of the names of those removed from the rolls? Now let’s look at a few of the key allegations: > [@](#): > > (A) lawyer had to threaten …Kemp with a federal lawsuit to force him to turn over the names Do you dispute this? If so, on what grounds? > [@](#): > > Among the voters purged are thousands who supposedly left the state but remain in Georgia Do you dispute this? If so, on what grounds? > [@](#): > > Kemp has continually turned down legitimate Open Records Act requests > [@](#): > > “Many people have died and paid the supreme sacrifice for people to have the right to vote. What is taking place here in Georgia is an insult to all these efforts and accomplishments.” > [@](#): > > Technically, Kemp removed voters after they had skipped voting — and failed to return a postcard that, according to Morgan County Elections Board member Helen Butler, **“Looks like junk mail.** You’d throw it away.” > [@](#): > > Just last year, (Helen Butler’s) group settled a suit against Kemp that forced him to return over 40,000 voters to the rolls. > [@](#): > > basing cancellations on non-responses to postcards is … endemically biased against voters who move often, including the poor, students, and Black and Latino voters > [@](#): > > 108,000 of the names on Kemp’s hit list were also on the notorious “Interstate Crosscheck” list …created … to indicate a voter had moved out of state. In fact … only 2,000 of the 108,000 Crosschecked voters who were purged have left the state. And the majority of others purged had not moved from their original registration address. Do you dispute any of these points? And if so, on what grounds? > [@Shodan](#): > > So my question about what really happened has been asked and answered. You asked a rhetorical question and provided your own preconceived answer. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/228 "2018-10-16T18:10:36Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Yes, trivially easy. In Georgia, a person can register to vote online, check if they are registered online, and vote by mail. That means they would receive the ballot well in advance and be able to vote at their convenience. Trivially easy. And in Gwinnett County, which is 60% minority, [a much higher proportion of mailed-in ballots have been rejected by local officials than elsewhere in the state](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/georgia-lawsuit-absentee-ballots). ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/229 "2018-10-16T19:05:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And in Gwinnett County, which is 60% minority, [a much higher proportion of mailed-in ballots have been rejected by local officials than elsewhere in the state](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/georgia-lawsuit-absentee-ballots). That seems bad. The article doesn’t go into enough detail, but on its face I’d say tighter procedures around mail in ballots would be beneficial. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/230 "2018-10-16T19:09:40Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And in Gwinnett County, which is 60% minority, [a much higher proportion of mailed-in ballots have been rejected by local officials than elsewhere in the state](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/georgia-lawsuit-absentee-ballots). “local officials”? As in, chosen by the people of Gwinnett County? ETA: > [@](#): > > … Stephen Day — the Democratic-appointed chair of of the Gwinnett Elections Board, who is named as a defendant in the lawsuit — told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution earlier this week that the rejection rates were “unsettling,” but he denied that they were “rooted in some nefarious scheme” by local officials to ” to suppress any type of voter from voting.” … Dude sounds like an asshole though. The people of Gwinnett County should fire him. ETA2: Wasn’t there a thread around here asking of Democrats ever tried to suppress the vote? Do we have an example here in Mr. Stephen Day? Or are these sort of “disparate impact” lawsuits mostly bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/231 "2018-10-16T19:31:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Is there any real democracy on Earth outside the USA that puts so much effort into preventing citizens from voting? Requiring photo ID to vote is pretty common: > **[Voter identification laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws)** > > A voter identification law is a law that requires a person to show some form of identification in order to vote. In some jurisdictions requiring photo IDs, voters who do not have photo ID often must have their identity verified by someone else (such as in Sweden) or sign a Challenged Voter Affidavit (such as in New Hampshire) in order to receive a ballot to vote. > In Argentina voting is compulsory for all citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70 and between 16 ... ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/232 "2018-10-16T19:44:03Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Requiring photo ID to vote is pretty common: > > [Voter identification laws - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws) That’s… _really_ not the full extent of what we’re talking about here. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/233 "2018-10-16T19:48:52Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > That’s… _really_ not the full extent of what we’re talking about here. Agreed. I should have said more, but that IS one of the issues that is brought up regularly (and is part of the game being played), and relevant IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/234 "2018-10-16T22:23:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “local officials”? As in, chosen by the people of Gwinnett County? I don’t know about Georgia, but in Ohio, we don’t elect the people on the board of elections, so, probably not. > [@](#): > > ETA: > > Dude sounds like an asshole though. The people of Gwinnett County should fire him. Which of the 14 words that were quoted lead you to think that he is an asshole worth firing? > [@](#): > > ETA2: Wasn’t there a thread around here asking of Democrats ever tried to suppress the vote? Do we have an example here in Mr. Stephen Day? Or are these sort of “disparate impact” lawsuits mostly bullshit? Can you elaborate on why you feel that Stephen Day is suppressing votes? Maybe take a look at the votes that have been rejected, and get back to me on that. If, after reviewing the details, you feel that it is an example of democratic voter suppression, then by all means, go ahead and post it to that thread along with your evidence and analysis. What you are doing here is just casting an insinuation, and expecting other to do the work for you. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/235 "2018-10-17T01:20:52Z")
[https://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/black-senior-citizens-ordered-off-georgia-bus-taking-them-vote/42lZxIGOF1uFo637TEc9jP/](https://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/black-senior-citizens-ordered-off-georgia-bus-taking-them-vote/42lZxIGOF1uFo637TEc9jP/) > [@](#): > > Government officials in an east Georgia county told about 40 African-American senior citizens to get off a bus taking them to vote Monday, leading to complaints of voter suppression. > > … > > Jefferson County’s administrator said Tuesday that the county government considered the event at the senior center “political activity,” which isn’t allowed during county-sponsored events. > > … > > “Jefferson County administration felt uncomfortable with allowing senior center patrons to leave the facility in a bus with an unknown third party,” Brett said. …democracy in fucking action here folks. No attempts at voter suppression here at all. This is all perfectly normal. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/236 "2018-10-17T01:31:25Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > … Can you elaborate on why you feel that Stephen Day is suppressing votes? Maybe take a look at the votes that have been rejected, and get back to me on that. … I’ll just quote my friends at [the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights Under Law](https://twitter.com/KristenClarkeJD/status/1052210502036856833/photo/1): “… Data from the Georgia Secretary of State’s office indicates the the BORE has been rejecting absentee ballots cast by minority voters, particularly Asian-American and African-American voters at disproportionately high rates compared to white voters. The disparities, as reflected in the table below, are large and statistically significant …” Isn’t that prima facie evidence that Mr. Day is a racist scumbag and he’s engaging in voter suppression? Or is the disparate impact on various races NOT convincing evidence in your eyes? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/237 "2018-10-17T02:02:28Z")
Certainly it is a unique perspective. Moonbat Media is reporting that early voting started today in Georgia, and the voters are turning out with enthusiasm, numbers more than double the last election. Goody gum-drops, pals and gals! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/238 "2018-10-17T13:18:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’ll just quote my friends at [the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights Under Law](https://twitter.com/KristenClarkeJD/status/1052210502036856833/photo/1): > > “… Data from the Georgia Secretary of State’s office indicates the the BORE has been rejecting absentee ballots cast by minority voters, particularly Asian-American and African-American voters at disproportionately high rates compared to white voters. The disparities, as reflected in the table below, are large and statistically significant …” > > Isn’t that prima facie evidence that Mr. Day is a racist scumbag and he’s engaging in voter suppression? Or is the disparate impact on various races NOT convincing evidence in your eyes? Are you trying to say that the Mr. Day was trying to suppress the democratic vote? I think you are stretching here. Anyway, we can start with the legal. Why were they rejected? Because they were not filled out properly. It says put your birthdate on the envelope. If you did not put your birthdate on the envelope, you did not follow instructions. I see nothing wrong with that, on the face of things, do you? Now, once it is discovered that there is a disparate impact, then it does matter what happens. First, we see why that is. Was there any reason to think, before the policy was implemented to follow the law, whether this would create a disparate impact. If it was known, was this known by your arch nemesis Mr. Day? Though chair of the board, that does not mean that all decisions are made by him, and it also does not mean that all effects of policies would be known by him. If, with this information that requiring people to follow instructions is having a disparate impact, they change policies to allow these improperly marked ballots, would you still feel that he is a racist scumbag? So, there is much more to be known about this situation before it can be concluded that this was the fault of Mr. Day, and that it was done with the intent of disenfranchising voters. For instance, like Mr. Kemp, does he have a history of using the legal system to harass political opponents who are politically active? Does he or his party stand to benefit from these policies? No, your conclusions are rather unsupported here, you need to do much more homework before you could convince anyone that this was an attempt at voter suppression on the part of the democrats. If you happen to get more evidence of your assertion, then you are welcome to bolster your argument with it. I’m not saying you are wrong here, just that the evidence you have presented so far does not support your conclusions. But, I do agree with you that those who suppress votes are scumbags, and those who do so with the intent of having a disparate racial impact are racist scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/239 "2018-10-17T13:30:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Which of the 14 words that were quoted “We must secure”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742/240 "2018-10-26T12:17:09Z")
Update: Shock Audio: Republican Concerned About People Choosing to Vote [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oz3PqJCx134/hqdefault.jpg "Shock Audio: Republican "Concerned" About People Choosing to Vote") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3PqJCx134) > [@](#): > > **Secretary of State and would-be-Governor of Georgia Brian Kemp:** > “Word is we’re going into the start (of) early voting with the literally tens of millions of dollars that they’re putting behind the get out the vote efforts for their base, a lot of that with absentee ballots; of course they’ve had just an unprecedented number of that, **which is something that continues to concern us, especially if everybody uses and exercises their right to vote** --which they absolutely can-- and mails those ballots in, we’ve got to have voter turnout to offset that.” (Transcribed as best I could make out.) So,\*\* Bricker, Shodan,\*\* are you willing to connect the dots and acknowledge that this man’s (possibly, technically legal) voter roll purge is nothing but deliberate, blatantly undemocratic voter suppression? Because at this stage it’s more solid line than dots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-purges-1-in-10-voters-from-voter-rolls/822742.md?page=13)