# Georgia senate runoff elections. Let’s debate and make predictions **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015 "2020-11-07T23:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/101 "2020-11-26T22:58:03Z")
Ah, true. I presumed the outfit we interacted with had done their homework on that, but perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/102 "2020-11-28T15:26:49Z")
> **[Trump's legal defeats pile up while his attacks on Georgia's election system...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/politics/donald-trump-election-georgia-runoffs/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump is pushing contradictory messages about Georgia, calling the state's election system fraudulent at the same time he is urging his supporters to turn out for Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue in twin runoff races... ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/103 "2020-11-28T16:49:21Z")
Things seem to be going well for the GOP, as this series of tweets re: Rona McDaniel speaking to GOPers in Cobb County: [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/E0TkEVG54arX54zKvyFCbIUzryvHFhWkK8g0UsBrPwI0WxLwJh72e4N-4nNP1mAynOjpbkqbSstKWnLkJ33mJh1N_gO4sxwLbjeUzybUODdb4yyyJubPOG33pvgqA6c5YVQcRoU80w=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/cAreXMdXCHhZgruU9) [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zF3XNsWWi_WDfky4KZcS6nQDVxt2yohUrn6E407M2AeGl2iVP42wIJPPeof5x9St8UtWCJVmjM9MObaCTEHle6hom6tWHK5WUEI1NYmNSrvmA8Uil1q-LJZzV8YlXom4dy0JHt4PWw=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/7EEPENUf2uAn492L6) [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BKXmI4-95bgsOA1PuNi-v8vjV17n6EZfmnghdohdfKF2prr4ORaaMuS2ippmu90Qikq-n9jedsFjykUWRYphJoPjZ0XtdfvWAQJk5iqjJqvCMJsjsjcXFVDbtYZUT0klYqMwyJTfCg=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/jRBJxWFmE4dNF77Z6) [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uwy1bfWoF5ENwzSuAvcvZqYiJo8RjdOdRFbrQgDZDo3W3-E8_jKYqUVQhJcRkllhYF5PFNaBfZbfiIw2zu8hZ6QSGqF7_WzJWiik4kQVPdVmxNl9JlEc1tKuNuNidaXzb_nl4zzog=w600-h315-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/FqhrbF9FGtvcLzBM7) ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/104 "2020-11-28T18:39:15Z")
The revolution eats its children. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/105 "2020-11-29T22:47:11Z")
But first it drives them mad. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/106 "2020-11-29T22:52:27Z")
The stupid leading the stupider. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/107 "2020-11-30T19:18:21Z")
The Republicans have gone beyond the “Leninist” Steve Bannon and have already reached Stalinism. The new right looks a lot like the old left. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/108 "2020-11-30T19:56:07Z")
I will assume that runoffs don’t allow the possibility of write-in votes. It makes no sense. Also, let’s try to keep the discussion to the GA special elections. ---
**Author:** ![Lavender\_Pebble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lavender_pebble/32/6290_2.png) [@Lavender\_Pebble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lavender_Pebble)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/109 "2020-12-02T13:39:00Z")
Just another data point - yesterday my area in Georgia had a special runoff. I’m friends with people on the Board of Elections, and they said they had a higher turnout yesterday for the small local race than they did the 2020 Presidential Election (I’m assuming they meant actual day of voting only). This is really shocking to me. There was a really good showing for republicans for this race (Democrat still won), but I think it shows that the Republican voters are definitely not going to stay at home in January. That’s just media bluster. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/110 "2020-12-02T23:47:49Z")
> [@Lavender\_Pebble](#): > > but I think it shows that the Republican voters are definitely not going to stay at home in January. That’s just media bluster. Is media saying this? I haven’t seen an article claiming this anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/111 "2020-12-03T00:27:21Z")
> [@Lavender\_Pebble](#): > > Republican voters are definitely not going to stay at home in January. That’s just media bluster. Trump’s people, if we can still call Sidney Powell one of Trump’s people, are telling his supporters to stay home for the special election. > **['They have not earned your vote': Trump allies urge Georgia Republicans to...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/02/trump-allies-urge-georgia-republicans-sit-out-senate-runoffs/3800126001/)** > > The remarks underscore the delicate politics that Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue must navigate to turn out their base in Georgia. On the one hand, I think this is a very good thing. I tend to over-dramatize these things in my head, but I think Democrats winning the senate could make the difference between pulling us back from the brink of dictatorship vs. a temporary delay until 2024. On the other hand, when people sit out elections in protest in other countries, that seems to have occurred when things have already reached the point of no return. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/112 "2020-12-03T14:09:15Z")
> **[Republicans brace for Trump rally in Georgia ahead of January runoffs | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/republicans-trump-rally-georgia-senate-runoff/index.html)** > > Georgia Republicans are increasingly worried about President Donald Trump's rally on Saturday for the two Senate runoff races, as some brace for a tirade to overturn his loss that could hurt the party's effort to keep control of the chamber. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/113 "2020-12-03T14:31:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > ### [Republicans brace for Trump rally in Georgia](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/republicans-trump-rally-georgia-senate-runoff/index.html) I’m reminded of a quote from a recent CNN article comparing trump to McCarthy: journalist William S. White back then said: > “In McCarthy, embarrassed Republican leaders know they have got hold of a red-hot bazooka, useful in destroying the enemy but also quite likely to blister the hands of the forces that employ it. Their private fear is that a lethal rocket may at any moment blast out through the wrong end of the pipe.” ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/114 "2020-12-03T14:32:27Z")
I tend to think all this analysis that Trump’s focus in election fraud is going to dampen Republican turnout is overblown. I’m sure he’s going to rant and rave for an hour at the rally about how the election was stolen and ridden with fraud. But he’s also going to tell his supporters to go vote for Loeffler and Purdue, and they will do as they’re told. And no, the logical contradiction will not bother them. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/115 "2020-12-03T15:11:14Z")
Sure, if he tells them to vote they will, but I’m not quite convinced he’s not going to do quite the opposite. Trump is currently extremely unhappy with Georgia Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/116 "2020-12-03T15:15:37Z")
When all is said and done, I suspect that the innate, longstanding GOP advantage in Senate runoff elections in Georgia will offset any Trumpian peevishness, and both Republicans will win. But I’d be very glad to be proven wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/117 "2020-12-03T16:20:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > When all is said and done, I suspect that the innate, longstanding GOP advantage in Senate runoff elections in Georgia will offset any Trumpian peevishness, and both Republicans will win. But I’d be very glad to be proven wrong Yup, I think the exact same thing. It’ll be similar to South Carolina in November, I’d say, where it seems like there might be a glimmer of hope, just maybe, but when all is said and done the Dems end up losing handily by 5-6 points. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/118 "2020-12-03T21:11:31Z")
Wow, just today there’s been a couple of promising polls released by Survey USA (A-rated according to 538). In the words of Lloyd Christmas, “so yer tellin’ me there’s a chance”. [https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/georgia/](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/georgia/) [https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/poll-results-show-tight-races-between-candidates-in-us-senate-runoffs/85-e0640bcf-374a-4bb7-9b1d-f724dbd80dfb](https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/poll-results-show-tight-races-between-candidates-in-us-senate-runoffs/85-e0640bcf-374a-4bb7-9b1d-f724dbd80dfb) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/119 "2020-12-03T21:19:47Z")
We’ve done 500 letters and 250 postcards for Vote Forward. I hope it makes a difference. Vote Forward estimates 1.5 million have been written and are hoping to hit 2M total. These are targeted at registered voters who have tended to stay home. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/120 "2020-12-04T14:02:21Z")
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” > **[In Georgia, some Trump supporters turn to Parler, a platform for a parallel...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/tech/parler-trump-supporters/index.html)** > > After years of standing idly by, companies like Facebook and Twitter are, to varying degrees, calling bullshit on some of President Donald Trump's lies — most prominently, his false claim that he didn't lose the election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015.md?page=7)