# Georgia senate runoff elections. Let’s debate and make predictions **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015 "2020-11-07T23:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/121 "2020-12-05T15:53:41Z")
> **[All eyes are on Georgia this weekend ahead of Senate debate | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/politics/georgia-state-of-play/index.html)** > > The eyes of the political universe are on Georgia this weekend, as the voter registration deadline for January's Senate runoffs approaches. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/122 "2020-12-06T08:40:59Z")
Well [Trump had his Georgia rally](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/05/trump-obama-events-heat-up-georgia-senate-races-before-voter-registration-deadline/), and as expected he kept the focus on himself and his wild accusations that the election was stolen. The article is paywalled, but what struck me is the quote from a Trump voter who wholeheartedly agrees that the election was riddled with fraud, and that she also intends to turn out to vote for Loeffler and Purdue. This is why I think all the talk about how Trump’s calling the legitimacy of the electoral process into doubt will suppress turnout in the runoff election is bullshit. Trump voters are fully capable of holding two entirely contradictory opinions at the same time – that the voting process is rigged, and that their votes are critical to securing a Republican victory in the Senate. These people will turn out to vote, and any thought otherwise is wishful thinking. The only question is whether Democrats can motivate turnout at equal or greater levels. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/123 "2020-12-06T14:34:21Z")
I absolutely agree. Here’s CNN’s latest: > **[Trump rants about his election grievances in Georgia, even though it may hurt...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/politics/donald-trump-kelly-loeffler-david-perdue-coronavirus-election/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump continued his extraordinary efforts to overturn the presidential election Saturday, attempting to pressure Georgia's governor to force a special session of the legislature to change the result, while using an evening rally for... ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/124 "2020-12-06T20:04:35Z")
Never understand how outsiders think their mailing to strangers who are locals is some route to motivating changing minds. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/125 "2020-12-06T20:22:27Z")
You apparently also don’t understand what the mailings are for. They’re non-partisan letters encouraging people to exercise their right to vote. They contain information on how to find out about registering and what voting dates are approaching. Period. No mention of party, candidates or agendas. There is a major effort on the part of Republicans everywhere to suppress and discourage voting, and it works. No reason why this can’t counter that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/126 "2020-12-07T01:59:47Z")
Some of the mailings - particularly postcards - are, as I understand it, encouraging Georgians to vote for the Democratic candidates down there. I have several friends who are doing this. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/127 "2020-12-07T12:52:24Z")
They are REMINDERS to do on a particular day what these people were (to one degree or another) planning to do anyway. Have you ever owned or used a digital or paper calendar, to remind yourself to do something on a particular day? (Chefguy, Elendil’s Heir is right…the cards we sent, like most, are indeed “partisan.” The preprinted side states the “nonpartisan” facts, and the handwritten side includes “…vote for Rev. Warnock and Jon Ossoff…”) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/128 "2020-12-07T16:19:42Z")
> “Here’s a supercut of Kelly Loeffler’s entire, deranged [#GASenateDebate](https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/GASenateDebate?src=hashtag_click) performance in 85 seconds.” Assuming this is accurate, there’s no actual statement of her platform or intentions. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/129 "2020-12-07T21:35:31Z")
I can understand how someone can be a liberal. I understand how someone can be a radical. I don’t understand how someone can be a radical liberal. That’s not a thing. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@bmoak1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak1)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/130 "2020-12-07T21:43:36Z")
Maybe Kelly was just riffing on Supertramp’s “The Logical Song” ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/131 "2020-12-07T21:56:57Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I can understand how someone can be a liberal. I understand how someone can be a radical. I don’t understand how someone can be a radical liberal. That’s not a thing. Most Conservatives don’t make a distinction between liberals and the left. They conflate it all - so Bernie Sanders and AOC are ‘liberals’ as much as Joe Biden is. So basically Loeffler is trying to say Warnock is Bernie Sanders. Liberal has taken on a more negative implication to Conservatives than Leftist has. Lots of ads in Georgia have gone after the “Liberal Agenda” - such as Ossoff will listen to Pelosi (who Conservatives also apparently think is like AOC/Sanders). ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/132 "2020-12-07T22:30:39Z")
> **[Georgia senators urged to quarantine after Giuliani’s COVID-19 diagnosis](https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-senators-urged-to-quarantine-after-giulianis-covid-19-diagnosis/TELIVAETQJFUPKOFANAKWBU6II/)** > > Upon learning Sunday that Rudy Giuliani tested positive for COVID-19, Georgia senators who attended a seven-hour hearing last week with President Donald Trump’s personal attorney were urged to self-quarantine. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/133 "2020-12-08T00:04:29Z")
> **[Fact-checking Georgia's senatorial debate between Loeffler and Warnock | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/politics/georgia-senate-debate-fact-check/index.html)** > > With the Presidential election technically over, all eyes are now on Georgia. Not only has the state's election process led to Republican in-fighting, but Georgia is also set to host two runoff elections that will determine control of the US Senate. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/134 "2020-12-08T18:31:39Z")
Even the empty podium standing in for Perdue was caught in a couple lies. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/135 "2020-12-09T04:09:55Z")
Welcome to 2020! ---
**Author:** ![Nayna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ebca7d/32.png) [@Nayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nayna)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/136 "2020-12-09T05:10:13Z")
Wow, well done! I wrote 170 letters through Vote Forward and I thought _that_ was a lot! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/137 "2020-12-09T15:47:10Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Some of the mailings - particularly postcards - are, as I understand it, encouraging Georgians to vote for the Democratic candidates down there. I have several friends who are doing this. > [@JKellyMap](#): > > (Chefguy, Elendil’s Heir is right…the cards we sent, like most, are indeed “partisan.” The preprinted side states the “nonpartisan” facts, and the handwritten side includes “…vote for Rev. Warnock and Jon Ossoff…”) I’m looking at one of the postcards from Vote Forward right now. The back is blank. The front says “Be a Georgia Voter”. Below that it says Vote Tuesday Jan 5th and gives the times that the polls open. Then it provides a link to the voting info website. That’s it. No candidates, no agenda. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/138 "2020-12-09T19:02:16Z")
Correct. Postcardstoswingstates sent us 500 such cards in a box, along with an addresses list of 500 “likely Democratic voters who likely need a reminder,” and instructions to HAND-WRITE on the obverse: [Voter’s First Name(s)], Thank you for being a voter! Please VOTE in the Tuesday Jan. 5 Senate elections for Rev. Warnock and Jon Ossoff. [Your First Name] … and to hand write the address. My wife, son, and I finished the task in just six R.E.M. albums plus an EP (We listened in chrono order, and got up to and through most of Green). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/139 "2020-12-09T19:33:46Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > [Voter’s First Name(s)], Thank you for being a voter! Please VOTE in the Tuesday Jan. 5 Senate elections for Rev. Warnock and Jon Ossoff. [Your First Name] > > … and to hand write the address. Okay, gotta fess up and say that’s correct. My wife does the writing and I apply the stamps. I didn’t realize that the postcards were to include that candidate message. The letters we wrote, however, did not. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/140 "2020-12-09T19:41:46Z")
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