# Georgia senate runoff elections. Let’s debate and make predictions **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015 "2020-11-07T23:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/141 "2020-12-10T05:33:44Z")
I think the better approach would be to not reveal what non-Georgia state you’re from, and to mail all your cards or letters in a packet to whatever Dem group you’re trying help there. The cards or letters could then be mailed from within Georgia to get a local postmark and thereby not rile up those who might resent “those durn outsiders.” You’re not saying you’re a Georgian, and you’re not saying you’re _not_ a Georgian; you’re just encouraging local voters to elect two good Georgia Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/142 "2020-12-10T14:18:31Z")
Except: since postcarding groups rely on labor from a huge number of volunteers across the country, and these people would all have to know they are mailing their postcards in big batches to an address in Georgia, there would be no reliable way to keep members of the opposing party from finding out about it and broadcasting the information. If you are, in fact, relying on out-of-state writers, it’s better not to look as if you’re trying to conceal this fact. Also, from what I understand, mailings to swing voters focused on _persuasion_ generally _are_ reserved for in-state volunteers – out-of-state groups are given lists of voters who are reliably partisan but might not reliably turn out, which is a much less delicate task. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/143 "2020-12-13T18:56:50Z")
As I thought. > **[GOP voters ready for Georgia runoffs despite Trump's claims](https://www.aol.com/news/gop-voters-ready-georgia-runoffs-132509213-180933778.html)** > > Many Republican voters in Georgia are angry. No way, said Trump supporter Lori Davis. “Everyone that I’m around, we’re ready to vote now,” said the 57-year-old businesswoman, as she awaited the arrival of Vice President Mike Pence at a rally for GOP... ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/144 "2020-12-13T19:55:36Z")
Yeah, 538 is showing Warnock and Ossoff both leading their races. I take that to indicate Loeffler and Perdue will win in landslides. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/145 "2020-12-13T20:14:03Z")
538’s Georgia prediction was closer than most of the other battleground states. I’ll take my optimism where I can find it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/146 "2020-12-14T04:15:03Z")
538 calls were on target this time. Biden won, but no landslide. They only predicted a 60% chance the dems would take the senate and that by only a vote or tow- and that could still happen. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/147 "2020-12-17T05:58:01Z")
[Hilarious article](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/14/trump-republicans-georgia-fundraising-445207) about how Trump is aggressively soliciting donations for the Georgia Senate campaigns and . . . diverting it into his own pocket. But don’t worry, senior Republicans are “rankled”! They’ve “reached out to the White House . . . to express concern and to question the decision.” That’ll show him! The larger concern for the GOP is that this will extend beyond just the GA races – that Trump will spend the next four years hoovering up campaign contributions supposedly on behalf of the GOP broadly but really just for his personal campaign account. To which I can only say, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/148 "2020-12-17T06:05:28Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qmywwiZth5E/maxresdefault.jpg "I'm shocked. Shocked!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmywwiZth5E) # I’m shocked. Shocked! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/149 "2020-12-17T08:16:37Z")
That really is hilarious. One of my relatives, who happens to live in Georgia, is quite upset that Trump and his flacks are not having any success in getting the Georgia vote overturned and also is not happy at all with what he says is “all the bull crap on FaceBook”, so my relative said he’s deleting his FB account. I was nice and did not mention that if he’s so tired of “all the bull crap on FaceBook,” perhaps it would be a good thing to cease and desist from posting said bull crap himself, things such as the “Muslim prayer curtain Obama installed in the White House”, etc. I bet said relative is also donating to the cause. Hilarious, but also sad. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/150 "2020-12-17T13:14:55Z")
538 this morning showing the GOP narrowing the gap with the Dems, so I’m not optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/151 "2020-12-17T19:55:49Z")
I think it’s going to be a dead heat, and will depend a lot on turnout, much like the Nov. election, so polls are of limited usefulness. It’s all within the margin of error. I brought this up in the run up to the presidential election and was mocked for it, but I’ll say it again. Obsessing over polls is kind of interesting. (I’m not accusing anyone but myself of obsessing.) For those of us not actually running campaigns, the whole purpose of them is to try to get information about something in advance of it happening, because we want to know now. The result is either to reassure us or raise our anxiety about something that we can’t change, and in a case like this, there’s a good chance that it will seesaw back and forth between the two, with a tossup on where the election results actually wind up. It’s a strange self-torture. We’re so uncomfortable with the unknownness of the outcome that we’d rather do this roller coaster of emotions than try to sit with our impatience. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/152 "2020-12-18T01:41:17Z")
Hey it’s only about 472 hours from now. If Abrams and Ossoff eke wins, I’m trying to think of how many different kinds of suits the GOP can attempt to extrude. Maybe a few less than this Nov./Dec. tally, so far, of 26,412. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/153 "2020-12-18T01:43:40Z")
It would be great if it was Abrams, but I think you mean Warnock. (I hope I spelled it right.) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/154 "2020-12-18T01:44:26Z")
ACK! (headsmack) thanks. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/155 "2020-12-18T12:38:40Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > We’re so uncomfortable with the unknownness of the outcome that we’d rather do this roller coaster of emotions than try to sit with our impatience. Great username-post combo! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/156 "2020-12-18T13:14:29Z")
For what it’s worth, living in GA, my take is that although we do have some bugfuck insane Trumpers, the species of Republican I often see are of the rules-lawyering conservative libertarian types. They voted for Trump not because they liked him, but because it seemed like he’d be instrumental to implementing policies that favor their narrow view of the role of government (there’s some culture-war stuff too, but that’s a secondary, less-overt factor). Property rights and Federalism Uber Alles. These folks - some of them at least - are disturbed enough by his intimations of autocracy and threats to the almighty principle of federalism that they’ll vote against Trump to try and get a better conservative libertarian in there. And they’ve got their generational shift in the Supreme Court, which currently has no blood to sqeeze out of that stone. Certainly there’s no shortage of fire-breathing libertarian-posing bill-of-rights-cherry-picking Republicans to choose from. They didn’t vote for Biden but they didn’t vote for Trump either. These are folks who offer a write-in or third-party as if it means something. What they’ll never see is that Trump became such a threat because the Republican party has gone completely over the edge. That phenomenon is simply not legible to them. They can’t imagine that so many people have got it utterly wrong. They also can’t see that supporting a Democrat is the only path out of autocracy right now. Either way, these folks are going to pull the lever for R until the sun explodes. Everyone predicting the self-destruction of the Republican party has absolutely got it wrong, at least until such time as we have ranked-choice voting or some other structural change. Anyhoo, I’m voting for both D today, both of whom I expect to lose for the reasons I described above. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/157 "2020-12-18T13:33:40Z")
Loeffler dodging question about Biden being President -Elect nine times at same presser. If I were an undecided Georgia voter, this alone would cost her my vote. Poor Senator is in a tough spot - admit Biden won and lose the Trumpers or outright deny it and the reality that is staring you in the face, thereby (possibly) decreasing Pub turnout a the polls. What a spineless witch. > **[Watch Sen. Kelly Loeffler deflect 9 times when asked about Biden win | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/12/17/kelly-loeffler-biden-georgia-runoff-senate-cupp-sot-nr-vpx.cnn)** > > CNN's Brianna Keilar and SE Cupp discuss Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler deflecting questions about President-elect Joe Biden's 2020 election win. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/158 "2020-12-18T15:00:39Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > > [@eschrodinger](#): > > > > We’re so uncomfortable with the unknownness of the outcome that we’d rather do this roller coaster of emotions than try to sit with our impatience. > > Great username-post combo! 🙂 Glad you’re not being catty about it. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/159 "2020-12-18T18:59:04Z")
It’s neither here nor there. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/160 "2020-12-18T19:39:45Z")
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