# Georgia senate runoff elections. Let’s debate and make predictions

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 7, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015 "2020-11-07T23:16:43Z")\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/161 "2020-12-18T20:37:13Z")

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Me-OW!

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/162 "2020-12-20T18:39:46Z")

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More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races: [More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races [Video]](https://www.aol.com/news/more-than-13-million-votes-already-cast-in-key-georgia-races-172012407.html)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/163 "2020-12-20T18:42:50Z")

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> **[Broadway Stars Release 'Georgia on My Mind' Video for Runoff Elections](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/georgia-on-my-mind-broadway-runoff-elections-1103450/)**
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> Version features Lin-Manuel Miranda, Josh Gad, Idina Menzel, Billy Porter, Phillipa Soo, Jenna Ushkowitz, Vanessa Williams, Ben Platt, Rosie Perez, Bernadette Peters, Renee Elise Goldsberry, Daniel…

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/164 "2020-12-21T15:58:48Z")

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Thousands of voters registered for the Georgia Senate races. Who benefits?: [Thousands of voters registered for the Georgia Senate races. Who benefits?](https://www.aol.com/news/thousands-voters-registered-georgia-senate-135326349.html)

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/165 "2020-12-21T18:14:05Z")

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Good article!

This one also gives me hope:

> **[Trump Drives A Wedge Among Georgia Republicans, Risking A Larger GOP Split](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948172589/trump-drives-a-wedge-among-georgia-republicans-risking-a-larger-gop-split)**
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> The president's push to overturn the election is turning GOP voters against Republican state leaders in Georgia, just before close runoff elections that could have lasting national implications.

_Republicans still have Bradley’s vote. But there are other people, she said, who may throw up their hands in this chaos, vote Democratic, or skip the election._

_The GOP can’t afford to lose any votes right now. Georgia’s runoff elections on Jan. 5 will decide control of the U.S. Senate, as GOP incumbents David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler face Democrats Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, respectively. And if the GOP loses those seats, handing Democrats total control of Washington, there’s a risk that the divisions that Georgia has seen since November might intensify throughout the party._

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**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/166 "2020-12-21T19:22:31Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races: [More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races [Video]](https://www.aol.com/news/more-than-13-million-votes-already-cast-in-key-georgia-races-172012407.html)

I would love to be proved wrong, but my gut is that the record-setting early voting turnout in this race is a sign of Republicans energized by “the steal” turning out in droves. I guess we’ll see

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/167 "2020-12-21T20:34:05Z")

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I’m inclined to agree, but as I posted upthread, I would be _delighted_ to be proven wrong.

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**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/168 "2020-12-22T01:46:24Z")

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> [@flurb](#):
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> I would love to be proved wrong, but my gut is that the record-setting early voting turnout in this race is a sign of Republicans energized by “the steal” turning out in droves. I guess we’ll see

I cannot fathom the logic of the conspiracy-minded but I sometimes try for fun. Aren’t early Republican votes just more of an opportunity for those votes to be lost or changed by Biden’s fraud ninjas? Remember, Biden (and by extension the Democrats since this will give them Senate control) has an invisible, undetectable, untraceable method for winning the election by trucking in ballots at the last minute and/or changing the mail ins. The Republican candidates lose any which way. If I was a Republican in Georgia I would stay as far away from it all as I could. After all, the Democrats can’t steal your vote if you don’t vote, right?!?!

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**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/169 "2020-12-22T09:14:15Z")

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If they vote in large enough numbers, they will break the algorithm and Trump will win!

It worked in 2016 when crooked Hilary tried to rig it but still lost

That sort of thing.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/170 "2020-12-22T14:27:39Z")

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> **[The Senate races in Georgia will shape the economic recovery | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/business/economy-stimulus-georgia-senate-election/index.html)**
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> Just before the buzzer sounds on 2020, Washington has finally agreed on a $900 billion relief package that avoids driving the US economy off a cliff.

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**Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/171 "2020-12-22T15:17:05Z")

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> [@flurb](#):
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> > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> > More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races: [More than 1.3 million votes already cast in key Georgia races [Video]](https://www.aol.com/news/more-than-13-million-votes-already-cast-in-key-georgia-races-172012407.html)
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> I would love to be proved wrong, but my gut is that the record-setting early voting turnout in this race is a sign of Republicans energized by “the steal” turning out in droves. I guess we’ll see

According to Nate Cohn, it’s actually better news for Democrats:

> <https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1341019685362479104>

It’s a higher share of the black vote in early voting than was in the general which is looking like more Warnock and Ossoff voters.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/172 "2020-12-22T17:55:55Z")

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Vice President-elect Kamala Harris campaigns in Georgia: ‘2020 ain’t over until Jan. 5’: [Kamala Harris campaigns in Georgia: '2020 ain't over until Jan. 5' [Video]](https://www.aol.com/news/kamala-harris-campaigns-georgia-2020-211313880.html)

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**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/173 "2020-12-23T15:51:58Z")

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Trafalgar Group has this in their latest poll:

TOTAL (with leans)

David Perdue 50.2%  
Jon Ossoff 47.5%  
Undecided 2.3%

Kelly Loeffler 52.2%  
Raphael Warnock 45.5%  
Undecided 2.3%

> **[Georgia Senate Runoff December 18 Poll – Trafalgar Group](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/ga-sen-dec-18/)**

Plus some more bad news for Warnock with the release of this video:

> **['I Can't Believe He Would Run Me Over!' Warnock's Wife Says GA Dem Senate...](https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/12/23/i-cant-believe-he-would-run-me-over-warnocks-wife-says-georgia-democrat-senate-candidate-crossed-the-line-in-newly-released-police-bodycam-video-n1227184)**
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> Last March, Georgia Democratic Senate candidate Raphael Warnock, and his wife were going through a divorce when one morning, police were called to the house.

My prediction: Perdue wins by 3. Loeffler wins by 5.

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**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/174 "2020-12-23T20:34:32Z")

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Despite correctly predicting Trump’s 2016 victory, isn’t that the main Trump-leaning polling/surveying company (well, other than Rasmussen), whose polling, since then, has been increasingly less accurate?  
The pjmedia article seems like a he/said/she said about him driving away from her, running over her foot, yet - examination showed no injuries, so - a nothingburger.  
I hope you’re not basing your prediction on either criterion.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/175 "2020-12-26T16:25:36Z")

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> **[Fact check: Georgia Republicans run more misleading attack ads against...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/26/politics/fact-check-georgia-senate-warnock-ossoff/index.html)**
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> In early December, we fact-checked misleading attack ads from both Democrats and Republicans in the two Georgia runoff elections that will determine control of the US Senate.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/176 "2020-12-27T14:03:08Z")

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> **[Trump's inaction on stimulus bill leaves Georgia's GOP runoff candidates in...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/26/politics/georgia-senate-runoffs-trump-stimulus/index.html)**
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> President Donald Trump's waffling over the $900 billion Covid relief package, which he has yet to sign, is leaving his fellow Republicans in Georgia in a tough spot as they fight to maintain control of the US Senate.

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**Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/177 "2020-12-27T14:15:35Z")

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AP: Democrats in Georgia Senate contests take in more than $200m: [Democrats in Georgia Senate contests take in more than $200M [Video]](https://www.aol.com/news/democrats-georgia-senate-contests-more-155224447-184547377.html)

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**Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/178 "2020-12-27T17:01:22Z")

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AP: Warnock and Loeffler work to consolidate voters for runoff: [Warnock and Loeffler work to consolidate voters for runoff](https://www.aol.com/news/warnock-loeffler-consolidate-voters-runoff-135250514-142358383.html)

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**Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/179 "2020-12-29T04:46:08Z")

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By a former GOP Congressman, but pretty even-handed:

> **[A Republican win in Georgia seems like the safer bet | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/28/opinions/georgia-senate-runoff-gop-safer-bet-lindsey/index.html)**
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> Edward Lindsey writes the odds are still in Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue's favor. If Republican can put aside their bitterness -- and even doubt -- over the November election and focus on the races at hand, they stand a good...

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**Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/georgia-senate-runoff-elections-let-s-debate-and-make-predictions/925015/180 "2020-12-29T08:58:06Z")

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> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#):
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> Despite correctly predicting Trump’s 2016 victory, isn’t that the main Trump-leaning polling/surveying company (well, other than Rasmussen), whose polling, since then, has been increasingly less accurate?

They weren’t particularly accurate before the 2020 election, and they did really poorly there. Prior to the November election, they had predicted 75% of contests correctly. The average pollster on 538’s list is at 79% and shitty Rasmussen is at 78%. Underperforming Rasmussen before 2020 isn’t really something to put on your resume.

As for 2020?

[Michigan](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/mi-pres-1120/)

[Pennsylvania](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/pa-pres-1102/)

[Georgia](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/ga-pres-1102/)

[Arizona](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/az-pres-103020/)

[Nevada](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/nv-pres-1102/)

[Florida](https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/fl-pres-1102/) Yay, got one right! Too bad they actually called this one closer than their Georgia mistake.

I have no fucking clue who will win on January 5th, but neither does Trafalgar.

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