# German Tiger II tank vs Abrams M1 in wooded European terrain. Does it stand a chance? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573 "2005-10-10T15:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/41 "2005-10-11T19:54:42Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > The best chance I can come up with for the Tiger is for the crew to abandon it. The Abrams crew finds it and recognizes it’s a vintage WWII tank. They get out of the Abrams to explore the Tiger, and the Tiger crew emerges from hiding and shoots them with small arms while they’re posing for a picture in front of the Tiger. > > Sailboat How diabolical! I think we have a winner! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/42 "2005-10-11T22:06:58Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > The best chance I can come up with for the Tiger is for the crew to abandon it. The Abrams crew finds it and recognizes it’s a vintage WWII tank. They get out of the Abrams to explore the Tiger, and the Tiger crew emerges from hiding and shoots them with small arms while they’re posing for a picture in front of the Tiger. > > Sailboat I like this. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/43 "2009-05-11T20:15:28Z")
Good shot to the rear would probably destroy the M1A2. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/44 "2009-05-11T23:26:35Z")
Run away! _Flee!_ Zombie tanks!! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/45 "2009-05-11T23:42:46Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Run away! _Flee!_ Zombie tanks!! Well, if it was a Tiger II tank, it would pretty much have to be, wouldn’t it? Zombie _Nazi_ tanks! With Zombie Nazi crews! Them’s the worst kind! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/46 "2009-05-11T23:56:43Z")
Considering Tiger tanks were already outclassed by the [M26 Pershing](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Pershing) tank (and the [JS-2](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iosif_Stalin_tank)) by the end of WW2, I wouldn’t bet a wooden kopek on the Panzer. That is, unless it’s manned by hard-boiled American soldiers who are the only hope left for Democracy and Freedom, and the duel happens in Hollywood. Then of course it’s gonna win 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/47 "2009-05-12T00:25:25Z")
Please. [Ghost Tank](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunted_Tank) is the only acceptable here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573/48 "2009-05-12T02:34:37Z")
Closing thread-tanks for the memories. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-tiger-ii-tank-vs-abrams-m1-in-wooded-european-terrain-does-it-stand-a-chance/325573.md?page=2)