# German Vehicles at Museum of Automotive and Technology in Warsaw Poland **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 13, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247 "2017-09-13T16:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SHARKBITEATTACK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@SHARKBITEATTACK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SHARKBITEATTACK)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/1 "2017-09-13T16:37:18Z")
I visited the Museum of Automotive and Technology while in Warsaw Poland a few weeks ago and too my suprise they had a Panzer IV a post war Polish T-34 and some other Nazi German Armored Vehicles. I was really thrown off by the size of the Panzer IV. I was just at the Tank Museum in Bovington a little over a year ago and this thing almost seemed like it was the size of Tiger 131. I made some videos of all the vehicles to post to my YouTube channel and after posting them I was informed the Panzer IV is in fact not real, it is a replica built off the chassis of a T-34. So now I’m wondering, if the other vehicles I saw are real or replicas as well. Any giveaways that prove they are replicas? More information would be great too! Sd Kfz 231 [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/toUm6jTEvm4/maxresdefault.jpg "Inside a Sd Kfz 231 German Armored Vehicle") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toUm6jTEvm4) Unknown Armored Vehicle [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Lq3MMYVw9IQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Ursus wz. 29 w środku") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq3MMYVw9IQ) Panzer IV Replica [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5UPMQJdo7Mo/maxresdefault.jpg "Panzer IV (PzKpfw IV) Tank Walkaround at Warsaw Auto Museum Poland") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPMQJdo7Mo) Just for fun, Inside a T-34-85 [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5NfQ7M-Fe-Y/hqdefault.jpg "Inside a Polish T-34 Tank at Museum of Automotive and Technology in Warsaw Poland") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NfQ7M-Fe-Y) ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/2 "2017-09-13T17:27:08Z")
> [@SHARKBITEATTACK](#): > > Unknown Armored Vehicle > [https://youtu.be/Lq3MMYVw9IQ](https://youtu.be/Lq3MMYVw9IQ) We can’t have unidentified armored vehicles on the SDMB, that just won’t do. It appears to be an [Samochód pancerny wz. 29](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoch%C3%B3d_pancerny_wz._29) armored car, which makes it a very rare beast. Only 10 were built (13 according to some unofficial publications), 8 were assigned to the 11th armored battalion, Mazowiecka Cavalry Brigade, and all of them were put out of action during the Polish campaign. According to [here](http://derela.republika.pl/wz29.htm) none survived the war, but it certainly looks like one, so I’m guessing its a replica; the color photo on the wiki page is captioned “Modern replica”. ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/3 "2017-09-13T17:53:41Z")
> [@SHARKBITEATTACK](#): > > Unknown Armored Vehicle > [https://youtu.be/Lq3MMYVw9IQ](https://youtu.be/Lq3MMYVw9IQ) SdKfz 222? NM wrong and someone beat me to it ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/4 "2017-09-13T17:59:01Z")
> [@SHARKBITEATTACK](#): > > Any giveaways that prove they are replicas? More information would be great too! > > Panzer IV Replica > [https://youtu.be/5UPMQJdo7Mo](https://youtu.be/5UPMQJdo7Mo) One give away is the light gauge sheet used for the main armor And that skirting looks much too thin. Its also not rusting in a way i would envision RHA rusting. Still, it is done nice, just needs better care. A nice coat of pseudo zimmermitt would help ---
**Author:** ![SHARKBITEATTACK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@SHARKBITEATTACK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SHARKBITEATTACK)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/5 "2017-09-13T19:17:36Z")
> [@Weisshund](#): > > One give away is the light gauge sheet used for the main armor > And that skirting looks much too thin. > > Its also not rusting in a way i would envision RHA rusting. > > Still, it is done nice, just needs better care. > A nice coat of pseudo zimmermitt would help RHA? ---
**Author:** ![bryanmaguire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d07c76/32.png) [@bryanmaguire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bryanmaguire)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/6 "2017-09-13T19:32:18Z")
> [@SHARKBITEATTACK](#): > > RHA? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolled\_homogeneous\_armour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolled_homogeneous_armour) ---
**Author:** ![SHARKBITEATTACK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@SHARKBITEATTACK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SHARKBITEATTACK)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/7 "2017-09-14T07:36:38Z")
Just added another video of an unknown vehicle. Any takers? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/uxFH-SW13-0/maxresdefault.jpg "Inside a German sdkfz. 222") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxFH-SW13-0) ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/8 "2017-09-14T07:50:11Z")
> [@SHARKBITEATTACK](#): > > Just added another video of an unknown vehicle. Any takers? > [https://youtu.be/uxFH-SW13-0](https://youtu.be/uxFH-SW13-0) [Looks like an Sdkfz. 222](https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sdkfz.+222&qpvt=sdkfz.+222). ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-vehicles-at-museum-of-automotive-and-technology-in-warsaw-poland/796247/9 "2017-09-15T14:25:44Z")
The Panzer IV looks like a replica at first glance if you are familiar with the real thing. It’s approximately the right shape but the proportions and all the details are wrong or not just right. One immediate giveaway for this (and other replicas) is the running gear - the wheels & track. Here they are very clearly T-34 and nothing like the Panzer IV (5 large wheels vs. 8 small wheels, wider, flatter tracks v.s ones with a prominent raised bar). The look inside the replica driver’s view slit shows the sloped front armour and driver hatch opening of the original T-34 under the sheet metal.