# German you learned from "Hogan's Heroes" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614 "2017-05-15T00:25:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/61 "2017-05-17T01:36:31Z")
A Google search reveals this: **Schultz** (Name) **Meaning** German: Status name for a village headman, from a contracted form of Middle High German _schultheize_. The term originally denoted a man responsible for collecting dues and paying them to the lord of the manor. It is a compound of _sculd(a)_ “debt,” “due” + a derivative of _heiz(z)an_ “to command.” Verrrrry interesting! I did \*not \*know this! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/62 "2017-05-17T01:39:57Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > _Schultz_ means “Schultz.” > [@terentii](#): > > A Google search reveals this: > > **Schultz** (Name) > > **Meaning** > German: Status name for a village headman, from a contracted form of Middle High German _schultheize_. The term originally denoted a man responsible for collecting dues and paying them to the lord of the manor. It is a compound of _sculd(a)_ “debt,” “due” + a derivative of _heiz(z)an_ “to command.” > > Verrrrry interesting! I did \*not \*know this! 🙂 No, no…I meant in _American._ ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/63 "2017-05-17T01:45:56Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > No, no…I meant in _American._ :smack: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/64 "2017-05-17T01:52:59Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > They were put on trail by the Japanese government for supposed war crimes by firing squad. [Doolittle Raid - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid#Fate_of_the_missing_crewmen) The Pearl Harbor bombing pilots weren’t tried for war crimes? 🙂 [Right.](http://mansell.com/pow_resources/camplists/fukuoka/fuk_01_fukuoka/fukuoka_01/Images/Beheaded.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/65 "2017-05-17T02:22:30Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The Pearl Harbor bombing pilots weren’t tried for war crimes? I think most of them met grisly ends at Midway. YAY! 🙂 The remaining two of the six carriers that attacked Pearl Harbor, \*Shokaku \*and _Zuikaku_, were sunk in June and October 1944, respectively. Given the rate of attrition in IJN aircrew, however, I suspect that most of those who participated in the Pearl Harbor attack had been blown away by F4Us and F6Fs long before. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/66 "2017-05-17T07:02:57Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > It might be related to the fact that the show was produced by Bing Crosby. Interestingly the fact that kinch was such a central character made it impossible for them to release a “southern cut” of the show with the black characters censored out which was common practice at the time. Also almost all of the Germans were played by jews. > > Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk “Southern cut?” 😕 I was not aware this was a practice. Can you explain when this happened? AFAIK, by the 1960s, network shows were aired within a few hours of each other across the four time zones. Also, black characters were becoming mainstream by this time, and such blatant prejudice was becoming less socially acceptable. Which areas had edited episodes and when were they aired? And which shows had such edits? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/67 "2017-05-17T08:47:34Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > “Southern cut?” 😕 I was not aware this was a practice. Can you explain when this happened? **AFAIK, by the 1960s, network shows were aired within a few hours of each other across the four time zones.** Also, black characters were becoming mainstream by this time, and such blatant prejudice was becoming less socially acceptable. Which areas had edited episodes and when were they aired? And which shows had such edits? Yes, but network affiliates could choose not to air a series and substitute their own programming in its place. And racial prejudice was still very much alive in the South throughout the '60s and into the '70s (George Wallace won the South when he ran for President in 1968, and a number of Southern primaries in 1972)! NBC was afraid that many Bible Belt stations would refuse to air _ **Star Trek** _ if Gene Roddenberry went through with his plans for a multiracial, multinational crew of the \*Enterprise \*(and the demonic Mr Spock). Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/68 "2017-05-17T09:18:56Z")
I’ve never heard of producing “Southern cuts” of popular series either, though I suppose it could be done. (Look at how many scenes were dropped from shows like _ **Star Trek** _ when they were in syndication, so local stations could air more commercials!) In the case of _ **Hogan’s Heroes** _, it would be pretty hard to excise all scenes Kinch was in without completely destroying an episode’s continuity, though. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/69 "2017-05-17T09:40:56Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Yes, but network affiliates could choose not to air a series and substitute their own programming in its place. And racial prejudice was still very much alive in the South throughout the '60s and into the '70s (George Wallace won the South when he ran for President in 1968, and a number of Southern primaries in 1972)! > > NBC was afraid that many Bible Belt stations would refuse to air _ **Star Trek** _ if Gene Roddenberry went through with his plans for a multiracial, multinational crew of the \*Enterprise \*(and the demonic Mr Spock). Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Yeah, I knew that affiliates could choose not to air a particular episode, but I was never aware of any substituting an edited first-run episode, although I suppose such could be possible for a rerun. And of course, NBC was nervous about the _Star Trek_ episode “Plato’s Stepchildren,” which featured the famous interracial kiss between Kirk (William Shatner) and Uhura (Nichelle Nichols). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/70 "2017-05-17T10:28:43Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Now, thanks to google translate, when there is a sign on a wall, I stop the DVD and have the machine translate it. Most (but not all) the time, it is correct German, and even can clarify the scene, like **if the sign on the building says “Waffen” it isn’t the SS.** Eh? :dubious: > **[Waffen-SS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS)** > > The Waffen-SS (.mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}German: \[ˈvafn̩ʔɛsˌʔɛs\]; lit. 'Armed SS') was the combat branch of the Nazi Party's paramilitary Schutzstaffel (SS) organisation. Its formations included men from Nazi Germany, along with volunteers and conscripts from both German-occupied Europe and unoccupied lands. It was disbanded... ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/71 "2017-05-17T10:40:16Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > “Never trust a fat man, Klink!” > “Love your Stalag!” **SCHULTZ:** Listen, Carter, there’s something you should know, and the sooner you learn it, the better: Women are just like wars; there’s always another one right around the corner! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/72 "2017-05-17T12:58:05Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I’ve never heard of producing “Southern cuts” of popular series either, though I suppose it could be done. _I, Spy_ began running in 1965. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/73 "2017-05-17T15:18:22Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Eh? :dubious: > > [Waffen-SS - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS) The word “Waffen,” by itself, means “weapons.” A building with a sign reading “Waffen” would be where the weapons are stored, e.g., the armory. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/74 "2017-05-17T16:32:24Z")
_Apfel strudel!_ as Sgt. Schulz smells LeBeau’s cooking. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/75 "2017-05-17T17:58:16Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > The word “Waffen,” by itself, means “weapons.” A building with a sign reading “Waffen” would be where the weapons are stored, e.g., the armory. Exactly! I didn’t know that until I looked it up after an episode. IIRC, it could have been the one where they heroes were painting the armory in order to steal or alter the ammo (maybe the one where they substituted live ammo for the German war games, perhaps). > [@terentii](#): > > When _ **Hogan’s Heroes** _ was shown in Germany, Nazi phrases like _Heil Hitler!_ had to be edited out under BRD law. They were replaced with things like “My dog can jump this high!” when accompanied by the Nazi salute. > > Quite a lot of the\*\* dialogue was changed in the dubbed version just to appeal to the German sense of humor. F’rinstance, they talked a lot about Klink’s cleaning woman (who was, of course, never seen), with whom he was supposedly having an affair. I’ve read about that. The show the German audience watched must have been a completely different show! I liked how they used different (German) accents for the different characters, to give them recognizable traits, depending on the stereotype of the accent. Something that would go right over my head even if I spoke German. (I loved that scene in\* Inglouroius Basterds\* in the cellar tavern, even if I couldn’t hear the different accents.) > [@terentii](#): > > **SCHULTZ:** Listen, Carter, there’s something you should know, and the sooner you learn it, the better: Women are just like wars; there’s always another one right around the corner! That’s the first place I ever heard that joke, and I thought that’s the way it always went. I like it - it’s more, I dunno, fatalistic than substituting “bus” or “streetcar”. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/76 "2017-05-17T18:54:15Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > “Southern cut?” 😕 I was not aware this was a practice. Can you explain when this happened? AFAIK, by the 1960s, network shows were aired within a few hours of each other across the four time zones. Also, black characters were becoming mainstream by this time, and such blatant prejudice was becoming less socially acceptable. Which areas had edited episodes and when were they aired? And which shows had such edits? Not sure the exact years but airing time was not such a problem because the southern cut was produced by the same people who made the show or the network that was airing them not by the individual stations. Sort of how movie studios produce airline versions with different cuts of movies to avoid excess profanity, nudity or violence particularly violence that involves airplanes crashing. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/77 "2017-05-17T19:19:28Z")
If my Father were still alive, I could ask him. He worked at the local NBC affiliate in Little Rock. I do recall my Mother being upset that Bill Cosby kissed a woman on \*I, Spy. \* She wasn’t racist as I always thought,she was seeing the future! ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614/78 "2017-05-17T19:56:14Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > That’s the first place I ever heard that joke, and I thought that’s the way it always went. I like it - it’s more, I dunno, fatalistic than substituting “bus” or “streetcar”. That’s from the “Mary Jane” episode, in which William “Father Mulcahey” Christopher played a German grunt on leave. He was also in at least one episode where he basically substituted for Carter (Larry Hovis must have been off sick or doing something else). For a long time, I thought he actually assumed his role, but I was wrong; I watched the episode again and found they did give him another name. This was not in the pilot, where Hovis played a downed airman called Lt Carter. He wasn’t added to the regular cast until Leonid Kinskey declined to return as Vladimir Minsk. He found the whole premise of the series “offensive”: “Nazis were seldom dumb and never funny.” This was a great pity, since he was such an interesting actor: He was born in St Petersburg in 1903, and emigrated to America in 1921. He’s best known for playing Sasha the bartender in _ **Casablanca** _. I got the “counting to three” bit in _ **Inglorious Basterds** _ immediately and told my daughter “Whoops! He just gave himself away!” It completely went over her head, and I explained it to her before the actors on screen did. ---
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I learned that it was better to go to Hell than to _ze Rahssian Frahnt!_ ---
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> [@MrAtoz](#): > > The word “Waffen,” by itself, means “weapons.” A building with a sign reading “Waffen” would be where the weapons are stored, e.g., the armory. Distinction noted! 🆒 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/german-you-learned-from-hogans-heroes/786614.md?page=5)