# Get Back 11.25 \[Beatles Documentary\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu, documentary-bio, music\ **Created:** [November 20, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651 "2021-11-20T02:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/141 "2021-12-03T15:32:19Z")
Haha! Yes, that would do it. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/142 "2021-12-03T18:22:36Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > But I do think she’s always been sincere in her efforts, and by most accounts she is a kind and decent person. I doubt Julian Lennon shares that opinion. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/143 "2021-12-03T22:38:12Z")
I don’t understand what kind of “artist” sits in a recording studio all day, watching others work, rather than going off and working on her own “art.” ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/144 "2021-12-04T00:18:52Z")
Why is “artist” in quotes? Presumably she was there to support her (seemingly very insecure) boyfriend, who was “bigger than Jesus”. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/145 "2021-12-04T00:47:59Z")
Yoko gets a lot of hate, but she was quite innovative. Once might not like it, but hey, I don’t like Jackson Pollack or Kathy Acker’s work, either. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/146 "2021-12-04T01:37:20Z")
Yoko Ono played Carnegie Hall…Twice! Before she even met John Lennon. ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/147 "2021-12-04T07:58:25Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Sweet Loretta Modern Love this spelling. To me, huge sections of GET BACK are like really boring meetings of a business owned by four equally clueless partners with some staffers bringing them tea now and then, sometimes inserting themselves into a discussion where they have no proper standing. One partner says, “We should do X” and another one goes, “What are we doing X for? I think we should do Y” and the first one goes “OK, Y is good but don’t ya think we need to do a little bit of X in order to do Y?” and a third one chimes in “I dunno, why aren’t we doing Z instead” and this goes on and for hours. X = “playing a live concert”, Y = “writing a new song”. Z = recording a studio album, etc. In other words, what are we doing? What are we trying to do? Who’s running this project? What problems are we facing? Big questions, and they don’t agree on how the discussion should be framed, much less resolved. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/148 "2021-12-04T08:04:29Z")
That’s a pretty good analogy. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/149 "2021-12-04T18:30:06Z")
> [@Roger\_That](#): > > > [@Biffster](#): > > > > Sweet Loretta Modern > > Love this spelling. It’s odd, in the closed captioning of the documentary, it’s “Sweet Loretta Martin”. But I had always thought it was “Modern”, so I went and checked the lyrics on my copy of the 1967-1970 album (aka “The Blue Album”) and sure enough, Modern is what they have printed. I would assume those are “official” lyrics but does anyone know for sure if it is supposed to be Martin or Modern? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/150 "2021-12-04T19:10:06Z")
I’m pretty sure there’s footage of the lyric sheet. That might shed some light. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/151 "2021-12-04T22:40:39Z")
[quote=“Shoeless, post:149, topic:954651, full:true”] > [@Roger\_That](#): > > > [@Biffster](#): > > > > > Sweet Loretta Modern > > > [/quote] > > > > > > Love this spelling. > > It’s odd, in the closed captioning of the documentary, it’s “Sweet Loretta Martin”. But I had always thought it was “Modern”, so I went and checked the lyrics on my copy of the 1967-1970 album (aka “The Blue Album”) and sure enough, Modern is what they have printed. I would assume those are “official” lyrics but does anyone know for sure if it is supposed to be Martin or Modern? Well, I did find this about the lyrics of Get Back. Seems “Martin” was the intended term (though my blue album says differently) and Loretta was a sort of trans person. Maybe not quite the same as Lola, but still. [https://www.quora.com/When-the-Beatles-sang-Sweet-Loretta-Martin-thought-she-was-a-woman-but-she-was-another-man-who-was-Loretta-Martin-Was-she-George-Martin-or-George-Martin-s-wife-George-Martin-s-sister](https://www.quora.com/When-the-Beatles-sang-Sweet-Loretta-Martin-thought-she-was-a-woman-but-she-was-another-man-who-was-Loretta-Martin-Was-she-George-Martin-or-George-Martin-s-wife-George-Martin-s-sister) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/152 "2021-12-05T01:41:20Z")
> [@Roger\_That](#): > > To me, huge sections of GET BACK are like really boring meetings of a business owned by four equally clueless partners with some staffers bringing them tea now and then, sometimes inserting themselves into a discussion where they have no proper standing. As a now-retired member of the creative community (advertising, etc.) I have described Part 1 to my creative friends as “the most dysfunctional brainstorming session in history.” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/153 "2021-12-05T01:49:35Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > I have described Part 1 to my creative friends as “the most dysfunctional brainstorming session in history.” I’ve been in some pretty horrible/painful brainstorming sessions, but I think this is pretty spot-on. - One guy is actually trying to float good ideas - One guy is high as a kite, and distracted by his girlfriend - One guy is having every idea he comes up with get shot down by the first two guys, so he shuts down - One guy says very little, and he just wants to get something he can work with ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/154 "2021-12-05T01:58:05Z")
I would add to that that the guy trying to float good ideas isn’t able to articulate them to his three partners very clearly. He’s obviously more capable of developing his ideas himself than he is at communicating them to others. This is not uncommon in a business setting, and it’s pretty frustrating all around. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/155 "2021-12-05T02:01:08Z")
Definitely agreed, @Roger_That; he also seems to want his collaborators to do it _his_ way. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/156 "2021-12-05T15:18:16Z")
The slog: I can understand “Get Back” being a slog for many, but I would watch every available hour of the footage if possible. That said, I’ve recommended it to only a couple of folks. The rooftop concert: The thing about it that I’d never considered - and I really have not seen discussed - is that 90+ per cent of the audience could not _see_ the band. Maybe they thought this contributed to the mystery or the novelty of the performance, but I consider it a huge negative. Not a good venue for a spontaneous final concert. Watching the creative process: These moments, for me, were the jewels of the experience. Witnessing the birth of “I, Me, Mine”, “Get Back”, even “Octopus’s Garden” gave me thrills and chills. It even gave me a new appreciation for “The Long and Winding Road” (previously among my least liked Beatles songs). Heather McCartney: I didn’t mind the HM distractions, I thought they were kinda cute. None of the Beatles seemed to mind, either. Man, I wish there were a similar documentary about “Abbey Road”! (yeah, I know they were not together for this one). mmm ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/157 "2021-12-05T18:22:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Loved watching Paul come up with Get Back while they waited for John to arrive. In fact I’m just really digging watching them give birth to all these songs. Loved George’s story about watching TV the night before, which led into him introducing I, Me, Mine. Absolutely. When the point of George’s story was revealed, I felt tears welling up. This is about as close as we can get to watching true artistic inspiration, practically as it happens. Astonishing. On another note: sure, it was a bit risky, the idea of holding the last-ever Beatles concert at a Roman amphitheater in Libya. But under the right circumstances, it could have been spectacular! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/158 "2021-12-06T13:11:41Z")
I never felt more like a professional guitarist than watching 1969-era GEORGE HARRISON, a man playing professionally for a decade, frowning at the fretboard as he awkwardly placed his fingers to make some rather basic chords. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/159 "2021-12-06T14:18:31Z")
It is very clear that choosing to be their own manager was a huge mistake in this situation. Someone should have been running interference and telling Lindsay-Hogg, “Leave the boys alone and let them make music. I’ll worry about everything else.” If the Get Back sessions led to The Beatles breakup, it’s because it solidified John, George and Ringo as going to Allan Klein for management. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651/160 "2021-12-06T14:19:41Z")
> Blockquote > [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Watching the creative process: These moments, for me, were the jewels of the experience Aye it would be cool IRL to have such pauses for creative idea moments like that - the light bulb over the head or the fade in box > You have created something groovy It was grand that we could see they didn’t really know what they wanted to do; did not want to make a “movie”, or a documentary about making an album, yet trying to create something visual… The notion of a band playing to chimneys and the sky (even if Jefferson Airplane had done it in NYC a month or so prior) is cool “It’s been done” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-back-11-25-beatles-documentary/954651.md?page=9)