# Get Ready For The GOP To Do Whatever They Can To Steal This Election (Too) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746 "2012-10-04T21:48:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/21 "2012-10-05T03:55:34Z")
This thread is an example of how conservatives are misinformed and angry because of the false data they have. Shodan hates ACORN, but he doesn’t understand what actually happened. Poor stupid mullet-fuck. Bricker knows better, but he’s dishonest. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/22 "2012-10-05T04:02:14Z")
May I comment on this thread? 😉 > [@Shayna](#): > > [VIDEO: GOP Caught Training Poll Challengers in Illegal Voter Suppression Tactics](http://www.progressnownm.org/blog/2012/10/gop-trains-poll-workers-to-suppress-votes.html) Thanks for reminding us what we’re up against, **Shayna**. Unfortunately, by this time, “Republicans cheat” has about the news impact of “Dog bites man.” > [@Shodan](#): > > Don’t be ridiculous - ACORN didn’t do anything wrong. **Shodan** ’s gibberish, tripe and non sequiturs remind me of a 1-year old who proudly shows off the pile of shit he has just laid on the carpet. I’d set him to Ignore but it’s amusing to watch the baby take such pride. … And it’s not my carpet! > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re supposed to find a logical equivalence for a tu quoque reply. That some Dopers pretend like a **Shodan** post might be anything other than babble makes me suspect his brain did function several years ago, and Dopers wonder if cognition might return. What happened, **Shodan**? Too much drugs? > [@duffer](#): > > The election is a month away and you’re already looking for excuses? Look! Over there! It’s another wolf! No. Really! This time I mean it! Your point is … ? Oh, I forgot; right-wingers don’t approve of actual thought. > [@Bricker](#): > > Shayna, you’re a hysterical, whiny fool. > > Unfortunately, I must also concede that in this particular case you have a very valid complaint. Sometimes, when the facts are overwhelming, the **Brickhead** likes to pretend that it’s objective. What a sanctimonious hypocrite. At least **Shodan** amuses with _his_ stupidities. The **Brickhead** only disgusts. And here come the right-wing apologists: > [@Steophan](#): > > fucking … > Jerk. > … lunacy … > [@Hyperelastic](#): > > … Vegetarian Tikka Masala Sauce … One implies that GOP cheating is OK, because liberals use capital letters. Another seems to parody OP’s complaint with a secret sauce joke. … And these are right-wing hypocrites actually intelligent enough to post on a message board. :smack: Heaven help America. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/23 "2012-10-05T04:11:53Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Jesus fuck, Marley, why the hell would you move this to the damn PIT so now no one wants to talk about the actual ELECTION STEALING ACTIVITIES being perpetrated by the GOP, which is the SUBJECT of this thread? > > Jerk. > [@Steophan](#): > > Probably because of your fucking attitude. RANDOM sentences with CAPITALISATION that doesn’t actually help MAKE my point. > > Jerk. > > ETA Are you sure you’re not **Stoid**? I only started to notice your lunacy when she vanished… > [@Shayna](#): > > Piss off, jackass. Guess you owe **Marley** an apology. I mean, if he hadn’t moved this to the Pit, you wouldn’t have been able the call the jackass a jackass. Or tell him to piss off. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/24 "2012-10-05T09:40:12Z")
Republicans support illegal tactics, even though they’re illegal. Democrats support ACORN, even though it’s tactics were illegal. Seems like a wash to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/25 "2012-10-05T10:42:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My defense of Voter ID laws rests on the fact that they are adopted by representative democratic processes. Sometimes, you really need to exit your Legal Fantasyland and realize that shit like this, the deliberate attempt to disenfranchise citizens, is the real reason for Voter ID laws. No matter what kind of logical web you spin for yourself to justify the laws, that .004% of votes are fraudulent and “might” be prevented by voter ID, rest assured, the people who wrote the law, and voted for the law, and promote the law don’t care about .004% of the votes. They care about reducing votes for the other guy, and see Voter ID as a way to do it. The fact that the votes they’re taking away belong to citizens is secondary. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/26 "2012-10-05T10:51:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Republicans support illegal tactics, even though they’re illegal. Democrats support ACORN, even though it’s tactics were illegal. Seems like a wash to me. That’s because you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/27 "2012-10-05T10:57:05Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > That’s because you’re an idiot. Really. I’m not the one pretending that it’s ok to break voting laws for a certain side. Just once, it would be nice to see someone on the left saying that ACORN were wrong, and that they don’t support their illegal activities. You know, like the Republicans in this thread are doing in this thread when their side has been found doing it. As an outsider, I’ll just say that breaking voting laws to benefit your side is wrong, no matter how much you hate the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/28 "2012-10-05T10:57:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You misspelled “they did everything right by cheating and breaking the law in favour of the Democrats”. Care to explain how the law was broken in favour of the Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/29 "2012-10-05T11:03:47Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Care to explain how the law was broken in favour of the Democrats? They fraudulently registered large amounts of minority voters - a demographic that is strongly Democratic. [Cite.](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html) Go on, say it was wrong for them to do so. It won’t hurt that much. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/30 "2012-10-05T11:35:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They fraudulently registered large amounts of minority voters - a demographic that is strongly Democratic. > > [Cite.](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html) I didn’t notice anything in your cite that shows a minority or democratic bias to the fraudulent registrations. Here is Acorn’s problem. They hire bums to register people, pay them per registration and require them to meet registration goals. Those bums make shit up to get paid. Acorn is then legally required to submit that shit, even when they are obviously garbage. Made up, obviously fake voter registrations are NOTHING. They do not affect the election, they do not cause fraudulent votes, they do nothing but clog up someone’s desk at the Registrar’s office. Acorn is stupid for hiring bums, and stupid for giving them incentive to make up registrations. They may even be criminally stupid. What they are not, however, is a force that harms our electoral process. They don’t create illegitimate votes, they don’t disenfranchise legitimate voters. Wake me up when an Acorn employee takes a non-citizen and deliberately mocks up a voter registration so that the non-citizen can vote. It is not their job to determine who is and isn’t eligible to vote, it’s the job of the State. That’s why Acorn is required to submit the registration form for Mr. Heywood Jablome, they don’t get to decide that it’s fake, they can only flag it. Unless Acorn has submitted a form deliberately crafted to fool the state, it’s really the state’s fault if a non-citizen gets on the voter rolls. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/31 "2012-10-05T11:54:02Z")
Here’s a voter law I could get behind: the pollworker should ask each voter if he/she thinks ACORN committed voter fraud. If they say yes, they’re too fucking stupid to vote and are kicked out of the precinct. Number of fraudulent votes cast because of ACORN: ZERO. Number of legitimate votes suppressed by disgusting Republican tactics: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/32 "2012-10-05T12:06:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Republicans support illegal tactics, even though they’re illegal. Democrats support ACORN, even though it’s tactics were illegal. Seems like a wash to me. Foo supports murder, even though it’s illegal. Bar doesn’t mind jaywalking, even though it’s illegal. Seems like a wash to me. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/33 "2012-10-05T12:08:51Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > There is desperation on both sides, however manufactured. **We are at war.** > > The fact that people dismiss this is disturbing. This outlook on our politicians is what’s disturbing to me, quite frankly. I mean, yeah, we probably are at war…but why has it come to this? The divisiveness and polarization that has manifested itself within the last few election cycles is scary. The erosion of decorum and fair play is saddening. The embrace of some Republicans of the lunatic fringe of their base is scary. Maybe during the next debate Obama will walk over to Romney and cane him within an inch of his life, Charles Sumner style. Just so everyone knows we are at “war”. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/34 "2012-10-05T12:15:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Here’s a voter law I could get behind: the pollworker should ask each voter if he/she thinks ACORN committed voter fraud. If they say yes, they’re too fucking stupid to vote and are kicked out of the precinct. Number of fraudulent votes cast because of ACORN: ZERO. Number of legitimate votes suppressed by disgusting Republican tactics: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. You are not comparing like with like, even ignoring the fact that no legitimate votes have actually been suppressed - and you can guarantee that, if any are in future, organisations like the ACLU will be all over that. Which is a good thing, by the way. Here’s a question for you, then. How many people are not registered to vote who might be, if ACORN had followed the law, and continued to exist, and was correctly registering voters? I’m guessing it’s a non-zero number. Look, ACORN’s criminal activity has _harmed your side_, and you still defend it. That’s the most blinkered, partisan, ridiculous thing I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/35 "2012-10-05T12:27:59Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Here’s a question for you, then. How many people are not registered to vote who might be, if ACORN had followed the law, and continued to exist, and was correctly registering voters? I’m guessing it’s a non-zero number. Look, ACORN’s criminal activity has _harmed your side_, and you still defend it. That’s the most blinkered, partisan, ridiculous thing I can think of. ACORN did follow the law. The organization was murdered by Republicans for daring to register people who were likely to vote Democratic. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/36 "2012-10-05T12:32:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > ACORN did follow the law. The organization was murdered by Republicans for daring to register people who were likely to vote Democratic. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/37 "2012-10-05T12:33:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Liar. Fuckwad. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/38 "2012-10-05T12:47:28Z")
Here’s the fact-check summary on ACORN, in case anyone actually cares: > [@](#): > > Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls “voter fraud” is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.. > **[ACORN Accusations - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/)** > > Summary The McCain-Palin campaign accuses ACORN, a community activist group that operates nationwide, of perpetrating "massive voter fraud." It says Obama has “long and deep” ties to the group. We find both claims to be exaggerated. But we also find... So, no to voter fraud, yes to voter registration fraud - with the caveat that they broke the law for money, not for politics. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/39 "2012-10-05T12:59:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Liar. Hi **Steophan** , I haven’t researched the ACORN issue since it was in the news, but my memory is that **BobLibDem** is right on this. ACORN hired people who were otherwise unemployable – and were often unreliable (offering work to the chronically unemployed was part of ACORN’s policy) but there was never any attempt at fraud. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/40 "2012-10-05T13:04:01Z")
**Steophan** , do you know who John Fund is? The guy who wrote the editorial you have confused with a cite? Suffice to say his objectivity is suspect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746.md?page=3)