# Get Ready For The GOP To Do Whatever They Can To Steal This Election (Too) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746 "2012-10-04T21:48:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/141 "2012-10-23T21:08:49Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > **FIRST:** … divert this post to freaking ACORN. … to get you to stop talking about _their_ scumbag activity and make you defend your side against a false claim. They’re _masters_ at this technique, moving us from _our_ frame to theirs and we _must_ stop falling for it. … > > **LASTLY:** Please stop talking about ACORN. This thread isn’t about ACORN. … . Were it left in the Elections forum **where it belongs** , the hijacks would be impermitted and warned against. Don’t let these fuckers get away with this shit. Thank you. Hijack and derail successful. Again. So what else is new? ACORN is boring anyway. The real fun was when Diebold was promising to “deliver” elections, and we had “hanging chads” too. Now we have a “sudden and dire need” for some form of Voter ID. Uh huh. Right. Yeah. That’s the ticket. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/142 "2012-10-23T22:22:19Z")
It’s also important to curtail early voting, because freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/143 "2012-10-24T00:23:23Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > When a member of the conspiracy actually does illegally prevent someone from voting, thus retroactively making the conspiracy an illegal act, will it then still be impossible for anyone to have committed a crime because committing crime is against the law? Can you twist that logic into a bigger pretzel? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/144 "2012-10-24T01:01:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > There was nothing illegal going on. Well, that seems like a jump. What, if anything, are you saying happened? Let’s get that settled first. There’s an accusation that an individual threw completed voting registrations into a dumpster. What’s your position on the legality of that act? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/145 "2012-10-24T10:16:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I despair at times because the only thing I see is the parade of garbage followed by syncopation from the other idiots, praising the garbage for its correct political stance… and I fear that there’s no one reading who sees the garbage for garbage. Looking in the mirror, hunh? > [@Bricker](#): > > What, if anything, are you saying happened? Let’s get that settled first. There’s an accusation that an individual threw completed voting registrations into a dumpster. > > What’s your position on the legality of that act? Count on the **Brickhead** to put on his thinking-cap and demonstrate he’s only a moron when his fellow hypocrites are spouting idiocies. Hey, buddy! Prove you’re sentient after all and write a one-paragraph essay comparing the moral gravity of the charges against Acorn and the charges made against GOP in this thread. Never mind whether the charges have been proven; we’re not interested in your “legal expertise,” just your reading comprehension and moral sense. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/146 "2012-10-24T17:28:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This board would be a better place if you, and others similarly situated, took the time to post such responses every time you see this behavior. I despair at times because the only thing I see is the parade of garbage followed by syncopation from the other idiots, praising the garbage for its correct political stance… and I fear that there’s no one reading who sees the garbage for garbage. Well, one thing, Slick. If I tell you I saw something with my own eyes, and I tell you the story twice? It’ll be the same story both times. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/147 "2012-10-25T02:47:02Z")
How many disenfranchised voters are acceptable for every fraudulent voter prevented? It takes thousands of bogus votes to steal just one election. It takes just one piece of bogus legislation to steal thousands of elections. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/148 "2012-10-25T05:08:29Z")
Oh, come on, they’re trying to steal maybe a hundred, tops! I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/149 "2012-11-01T18:02:04Z")
[Will “experimental” election software patches affect the Ohio vote?](http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4766) "Why did the Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted’s office, in an end run around Ohio election law, have “experimental” software patches installed on vote counting tabulators in up to 39 Ohio counties? Voting rights activists are concerned that these uncertified and untested software patches may alter the election results. … "The Free Press has learned that Election Systems and Solutions (ES&S) installed the software patches that will affect 4,041,056 registered voters, including those in metropolitan Columbus and Cleveland (click here for spread sheet from [verifiedvoting.org](http://verifiedvoting.org)). “A call to the Ohio Secretary of State’s office concerning the software patches was not returned by publication deadline.” [Absentee Ballots in FLA Being Thrown Out](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/31/1153005/-Absentee-Ballots-in-FLA-Being-Thrown-Out) "I just found out that my friend Mona Reis, who owns an abortion clinic in West Palm Beach, Presidential Women’s Center, has had her absentee ballot rejected by the county’s canvassing board because: [INDENT]“Her signature on the ballot didn’t match the one on file in the elections office” “Believe it or not, there is NO other process that will allow for me to vote! I cannot vote in person, I cannot take an oath that my signature is really mine - end of story! It just so happened that I knew the reporter who was observing the process and she called me to tell me. What about all the other ballots that get disqualified and people only find out about it after the elections? After the 2000 butterfly ballot fiasco here, we were all told that the best way to guarantee that your vote counts is to vote by absentee! I want to vote, damn it! We are looking at taking some legal action. I am not giving up as this is such an outrage and needs to be changed! I want to vote because this is the most important election in my lifetime. I would never forgive myself if I didn’t continue to try.”[/INDENT] [Palm Beach Women’s Clinic Owner May Sue If She’s Not Allowed to Vote](http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/womens-clinic-owner-may-sue-if-she-isnt-allowed-to/nSrJK/) “Attorney Louis Silber said Florida law allows a person to vote if their absentee ballot isn’t returned. Since the three-member board tossed Reis’ absentee ballot because they said the signature didn’t match the one on file, technically, she hasn’t voted, he said. “Hopefully, they care about people voting,” he said. Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher and state officials said once Reis mailed in her ballot, that was it even though it was rejected.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/150 "2012-11-01T18:32:52Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Since the three-member board tossed Reis’ absentee ballot because they said the signature didn’t match the one on file, technically, she hasn’t voted, he said. “Hopefully, they care about people voting,” he said. Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher and state officials said once Reis mailed in her ballot, that was it even though it was rejected."[/INDENT] Those damn Democrats! What cheaters! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/151 "2012-11-01T18:40:41Z")
Please proceed, Counselor. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/152 "2012-11-01T19:17:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Please proceed, Counselor. What proceed? Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher is a Democrat, as are her cohorts of the canvassing board. I’m surprised to see Shayna’s ire directed at them, but pleased in that it shows all those people who called her a knee-jerk partisan just how wrong they were. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/153 "2012-11-01T19:38:24Z")
I knew you had something to say, just needed some encouragement. Other comrades were saying you were just drive by insinuating, but I had your back! “No!” I said, “ **Bricker** has something to say, he’s just shy, gotta give him a _noodge_!” Well, good on you! But the full quote says “Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher and state officials said”. Are those state officials Dems too? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/154 "2012-11-01T20:08:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I knew you had something to say, just needed some encouragement. Other comrades were saying you were just drive by insinuating, but I had your back! “No!” I said, “ **Bricker** has something to say, he’s just shy, gotta give him a _noodge_!” > > Well, good on you! But the full quote says “Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher and state officials said”. Are those state officials Dems too? No, of course not. Nor are the legislators who devised the scheme wherein legitimate absentee ballots that have been erroneously disqualified can be challenged and the voter can cast a provisional ballot in its place. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/155 "2012-11-01T20:11:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I knew you had something to say, just needed some encouragement. Other comrades were saying you were just drive by insinuating, but I had your back! “No!” I said, “ **Bricker** has something to say, he’s just shy, gotta give him a _noodge_!” > > Well, good on you! But the full quote says “Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher and state officials said”. Are those state officials Dems too? I don’t get what you are trying to say. As long as the law itself is not discriminatory or inequitable and it is evenly applied, I don’t see the problem. The problem with Voter ID laws and the early voting crap going on in Ohio is that it is all meant to suppress voter turnout. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/156 "2012-11-01T20:20:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > As long as the law itself is not discriminatory or inequitable and it is evenly applied, I don’t see the problem. It is discriminatory and it is not, and by definition cannot be, evenly applied. That’s the problem. Well, one of them. It’s still as sad as ever to see someone as fundamentally intelligent as \*\*Bricker \*\*be totally unable to distinguish between partisan advantage and democracy itself. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/157 "2012-11-01T23:07:24Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [Absentee Ballots in FLA Being Thrown Out](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/31/1153005/-Absentee-Ballots-in-FLA-Being-Thrown-Out) > "I just found out that my friend Mona Reis, who owns an abortion clinic in West Palm Beach, Presidential Women’s Center, has had her absentee ballot rejected by the county’s canvassing board because: > [INDENT]“Her signature on the ballot didn’t match the one on file in the elections office” If only there were some simple, universal piece of identification she could use to prove it was her. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/158 "2012-11-02T01:28:16Z")
Did you not understand the part about it being an \*absentee \*ballot? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/159 "2012-11-02T01:28:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It is discriminatory and it is not, and by definition cannot be, evenly applied. That’s the problem. Well, one of them. > > It’s still as sad as ever to see someone as fundamentally intelligent as \*\*Bricker \*\*be totally unable to distinguish between partisan advantage and democracy itself. The point I was referring to was the rejection of ballots with non-matching signatures. I suppose that it could be discriminatory but I’m not sure how. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746/160 "2012-11-02T04:15:41Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > If only there were some simple, universal piece of identification she could use to prove it was her. If only there were an option to show a piece of (not actually) universal identification to prove it’s her to the committee who discarded her **ABSENTEE BALLOT** … But there’s not, _and that’s the freaking point_, which you completely glossed over (intentionally?) in your partisanship. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-ready-for-the-gop-to-do-whatever-they-can-to-steal-this-election-too/636746.md?page=9)