# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/1 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")
Can’t do this in IMHO, so i’ll do it here. Original thread: [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5869787#post5869787) Right, have a go back, but do we have to listen to you chunter on about your fucking sexuality _all the time_ **Kaitlyn?** You say you don’t mention it, and you clearly do, in a **Poll for straight people** that **Priceguy** is asking for. It does not include you. > [@Priceguy](#): > > She didn’t even mention it, and even if she had this is out of line for IMHO. You got issues with Kaitlyn, keep them out of my thread (and preferably in the Pit). Direct quote of the post after mine. And below that, reference to ‘her’ sexual orientation. > [@Kaitlyn](#): > > I used to think I was a totally straight man when in fact I was a gay woman with genital and other abnormalities in need of correction. Mrs. Six thought of herself as a straight woman until my transition made her realize that the person she had fallen in love with was a woman. > > Mrs. Six’s coming to realize that having a sexual relationship with another woman was something she could do and be happy with because she loves me regardless of my anatomy does have some bearing on this discussion, I think. No? > [@Kaitlyn](#): > > How dare you tell me I’m excluded from your thread just because I’m lesbian! I demand to be heard! I find the idea of sex with a man just as revolting and disgusting as any of the guys here. In a Poll **For Totally Straight People**. In fact, the only time i’ve never heard you go on about your sexual orientation is in the comic threads. Shut up about it. I know. The entire fucking board knows. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/2 "2005-02-22T15:25:03Z")
My immediate, knee-jerk response was that **Kaitlyn** had rather voluntarily chosen to deal herself out of any discussion involving straight men :dubious: , but I thought twice before saying so and reached the conclusion that, in **Kaitlyn** ’s opinion, **Kaitlyn** never _had_ been a man. I struggle with this sometimes, but the plain fact of the matter is that any opinions I might entertain on the question of **Kaitlyn** ’s gender identity aren’t the ones that count. As for harping on about it: Cut **Kaitlyn** some slack. It’s early days yet, yanno. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/3 "2005-02-22T16:01:40Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I struggle with this sometimes, but the plain fact of the matter is that any opinions I might entertain on the question of **Kaitlyn** ’s gender identity aren’t the ones that count. > > As for harping on about it: Cut **Kaitlyn** some slack. It’s early days yet, yanno. Don’t you go get reasonable and make me rethink my long-held opinion of you. ---
**Author:** ![Jadis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@Jadis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jadis)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/4 "2005-02-22T16:08:50Z")
FWIW, I agree with **paulberserker**. The IMHO thread specifically asked for a certain subset of the board to respond, and **Kaitlyn** flouncing in and demanding to be represented and “exercising her right to free speech” was just stupid and petty. If it was meant to be a joke, it was unfunny. **Kaitlyn** has seemed pretty cool in pretty much every other thread I’ve seen her in, so this little hissyfit really drew my attention…and not in a good way. Feh. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/5 "2005-02-22T16:09:09Z")
You pit her and don’t mention the first post that’s actually offensive? > [@Kaitlyn](#): > > How dare you tell me I’m excluded from your thread just because I’m lesbian! I demand to be heard! I find the idea of sex with a man just as revolting and disgusting as any of the guys here. There. Ignore that if you must, but I had to exercise my right to free speech. I thought the rules of IMHO were “Answer the poll and get out,” not spam the poll with irrelevant snark. She basically hijacked your thread, and **Priceguy** assisted by pestering her with questions. They deserve to be pitted for rudeness, but not for the odd, shrill reasons you’re groping for, **paulberserker**. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/6 "2005-02-22T16:22:04Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Don’t you go get reasonable and make me rethink my long-held opinion of you. Back atcha, feller. These days I’m shooting for “rabidly intolerant, but nice about it”. 🆒 To be fair, **Kaitlyn** now needs to start a thread about whether any lesbians would consider sleeping with men, and then I can barge in and self-importantly proclaim that I would not. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/7 "2005-02-22T16:34:41Z")
**Rysler** , to me that sounds like a joke. **paul,** if the OP doesn’t care, why do you? And I can’t say I’ve ever heard anything good accompany a “why don’t you just shut up about your sexual orientation/gender identity.” I agree that ordinarily “Straight people! Respond please!” wouldn’t have been my first choice to post in, but **Kaitlyn** obviously felt she had something to contribute, having once considered herself straight anyway and being married to a woman who once considered herself so too, and the OP himself doesn’t consider it a hijack. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill, and choosing a fairly insulting way to phrase it, to boot. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/8 "2005-02-22T16:36:33Z")
Whats shrill about it? I’m more bothered by the fact I called **Kaitlyn** on pointless hijack in a poll ‘she’ shouldn’t be taking part in and ‘her’ and **Priceguy** turn round and talk absolute crap about what they said, when its clear neither can read each others posts. Oh, and the constant need for ‘her’ to mention who and what ‘she’ is at any given opportunity gets on my tits. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/9 "2005-02-22T16:42:40Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Whats shrill about it? I’m more bothered by the fact I called **Kaitlyn** on pointless hijack in a poll ‘she’ shouldn’t be taking part in and ‘her’ and **Priceguy** turn round and talk absolute crap about what they said, when its clear neither can read each others posts. > > Oh, and the constant need for ‘her’ to mention who and what ‘she’ is at any given opportunity gets on my tits. I fully agree that **Kaitlyn** should not have posted in that thread. But lose the fucking quotation marks, OK? **Kaitlyn** is a woman, and there is no need to put quotation marks around the pronouns you use to reference her. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/10 "2005-02-22T16:42:47Z")
**Rysler** , I quoted what you did in my OP. So do we come to the fact that someones sexuality is a no go area then? If, in every single post I mentioned, ‘Hey, i’m straight!’ or posted to a thread on ‘Gay people chine in here’, should I not get pitted? You don’t see me mention the fact i’m fucking ace at painting in every post do you? But I see Kaitlyn do so. You want to be accepted as such, fair does, I have no problem with that, but you’re no fucking Scared Cow. SHH!! ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/11 "2005-02-22T16:45:13Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > Rysler, to me that sounds like a joke. It sounded like a joke to me, until she said her bit about free speech. Then it just sounded snide. > [@matt\_mcl](#): > > paul, if the OP doesn’t care, why do you? :smack: Damnit. I thought **paul** was the OP. I swear I checked. I withdraw my support of his position. **Priceguy** can do whatever he wants in his thread, **paul** , including ask follow-up questions. What the fuck is your issue with him? And what’s the deal with gender in baby-quotes? That makes this statement: > [@paul](#): > > You want to be accepted as such, fair does, I have no problem with that Seem insincere. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/12 "2005-02-22T16:47:12Z")
The problem looks like it started with the first couple words actually… > [@Kaitlin](#): > > How dare you tell me Seriously. **Priceguy** didn’t tell _you_ anything. He politely requested in the OP that only a certain group of people answer. For some reason, you’re taking this personally when there was nothing in the OP that should suggest that. **Priceguy** then made the mistake of hijacking his thread by getting into the topic of **Kaitlin** , but he did start the thread. If I were he, I’d either ignore your ridiculous post or open a pitting on you. (Obviously I’m not he… and obviously he can make his own decisions too.) It looks like the thread is going on in spite of the hijack. But next time **Kaitlin** , please understand that it’s not an issue of limiting your “free speech”, it’s trying to find an answer to a question that a person has, and considering the parameters of the question, your input is not relevent. **Paulberserker** , I don’t think I’ve ever been in a thread with **Kaitlin** before nor do I know much about her, but it seems that she identifies as a woman and a she, so when you put ‘her’ in quotes, it’s a bit demeaning. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/13 "2005-02-22T16:54:47Z")
**paulberserker** starts a pointless and insulting Pit thread. Bear shits in woods, Pope Catholic, Packers win the Superbowl. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/14 "2005-02-22T17:00:37Z")
This is my first personal Pitting. I was kinda hoping it would be for something different than hijacking my own poll. Well, them’s the breaks. **paulberserker** : **Kaitlyn** ’s first post in that thread was, pretty obviously, joke-ish, probably brought on at least in part by my similar comments to **Kaitlyn** in the photo thread. The “free speech” bit is a joke. I find this obvious, but I guess others missed it. Or maybe I’m wrong and **Kaitlyn** is about to go First Amendment on my (rather pretty, but also regrettably male) ass, but I highly doubt it. When you posted your bit, **Kaitlyn** hadn’t yet mentioned her transgenderness. The only reason she did at all was that I had asked her questions. The only person who mentioned her transgenderness before you did was **Malacandra**. All in all, if anyone is at fault here it is me for hijacking my own thread, which I think is a forgivable offense, all things considered. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/15 "2005-02-22T17:02:41Z")
**paulberserker** , I think you’re being a real jerk about this. I also think **Kaitlyn** ’s indignant tone in her first post was obviously meant as a joke. However, I won’t say that you don’t have a bit of a point – **Priceguy** was clear as to what sort of poll he wanted to conduct, what his hypothesis was, and whose responses he was interested in. **Kaitlyn** is not a totally straight person, so I think it was a bit rude of her to insist upon sharing her opinion of _straight_ sex in a thread intended to collect the opinions of totally straight people on _gay_ sex. Still, if the OP didn’t mind the hijack I can’t see getting too upset about it. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/16 "2005-02-22T17:09:59Z")
And **Ilsa Lund** pads his post count with a drive by waste of bandwidth. Whats difficult to get about this? I’ve found **Kaitlyn** more and more recently to be a one trick pony attention whore, and this was something to hang it on. Doesn’t detract from the fact either that her and **Priceguy** both contradict themselves in that thread after what I said there. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/17 "2005-02-22T17:19:09Z")
I went back and looked at the original thread. I happened to know ahead of time that Kaitlyn is a transsexual. I suppose it could be seen as nothing more than a bad joke, but my first impression was that she was deliberately trying to hijack the thread. Either way, her posts in that thread were in poor taste and did nothing to help it move along. Just my $0.02. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/18 "2005-02-22T17:19:51Z")
One-trick pony? I see: one flirt post in the photo thread; one post about who considers themself southern; the posts in the relevant thread; one post about her height and weight; three posts about cute Asian women in the photo thread; one post about superheroes; two posts about a stripper; a discussion of the recent **Arwin** débâcle; a post in the “I had SEX!” thread; a post about the movie Million Dollar Baby; six more posts in the photo thread; a post about Calvin and Hobbes; a flirt post in the “flirt with your choice of Doper” thread. Total references to being transgender in 25 posts (other than the ones under discussion now:) 1. Ride that pony! ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/19 "2005-02-22T17:27:56Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > However, I won’t say that you don’t have a bit of a point – **Priceguy** was clear as to what sort of poll he wanted to conduct, what his hypothesis was, and whose responses he was interested in. **Kaitlyn** is not a totally straight person, so I think it was a bit rude of her to insist upon sharing her opinion of _straight_ sex in a thread intended to collect the opinions of totally straight people on _gay_ sex. And her SO, Mrs. Six, is a (formerly?) totally straight woman who is now having sex with another woman, so that’s a valid post for the thread. **Kait** ’s point was that sometimes, for the right person, you’ll throw out preconceived notions. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/20 "2005-02-22T17:37:55Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Oh, and the constant need for ‘her’ to mention who and what ‘she’ is at any given opportunity gets on my tits. Whatever sympathy i might have had for your rant (almost none) was completely obliterated by your ridiculous quotation marks. You’re a tosser. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=2)