# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/181 "2005-02-25T04:35:46Z")
I agree with **wring**. Something’s not adding up, and it’s the fact that there was enough staff around to shitcan the **Pineapples** but not enough to even suspend someone who was proven to be lying and has now confessed to it. Someone’s screwing the pooch, and it sure as hell wasn’t **Can of Pineapples**. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/182 "2005-02-25T04:41:00Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > This will be my last post here. > > The allegations directed at me are true. > > I deserve every negative thing said about me here. > > I have e-mailed an administrator and asked that my posting privileges be suspended. > > My behavior was inexcusable, and I deserve to be banned. > > I apologize to all of those people whom I’ve decieved. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/183 "2005-02-25T04:42:56Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I like you. hope you know that. > I generally support the staff here. > > the post that proved the lies occured some 8 hours ago, **and the poster who made that post has been banned**. So at least for that poster, there was sufficient staff to act on it. A temporary suspension while “Stuff was being sorted out” seems like it could have been done then, too. > > I generally have supported the staff here. But I think y’all dropped the ball here. > > MHO and all. Oh, come on now. **Pineapple** was a sock, which is a clear and unambiguous violation of board rules. There isn’t a rule against pretending to be a Korean transsexual. Up until now, **Kaitlyn/Number Six** had been, as far as I know, a poster in good standing, and as far as I’m concerned, a valuable member of the boards. I don’t know what the fuck is up with him/her, neither do you, and neither do the mods. There’s absolutely nothing clear cut about this, and there’s nothing wrong with taking a little time before making a final decision. F’r chrissake, they can still decide to break out the ban stick later. It’s not like there’s a statute of limitations on when you can ban someone. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/184 "2005-02-25T04:49:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There’s absolutely nothing clear cut about this, and there’s nothing wrong with taking a little time before making a final decision. I’m guessing you didn’t see the last post… ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/185 "2005-02-25T04:50:23Z")
**Miller** - I didn’t call for a ban, but it’s not at all uncommon or wrong or bizarre to ‘suspend’ while we sort it out. and for some one to obviously lie to the degree demonstrated over a long period of time, there’s a history of folks being banned for that. I don’t claim to kinow jack shit about this poster, they completely fell under my radar. But that level of lying over that level of time should garner suspension of posting while they investigate, discuss amongst themselves, email the person off the boards. Don’t prentend that there isn’t a precedent for that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/186 "2005-02-25T04:52:27Z")
> [@wring](#): > > **Miller** - I didn’t call for a ban, but it’s not at all uncommon or wrong or bizarre to ‘suspend’ while we sort it out. and for some one to obviously lie to the degree demonstrated over a long period of time, there’s a history of folks being banned for that. > > I don’t claim to kinow jack shit about this poster, they completely fell under my radar. But that level of lying over that level of time should garner suspension of posting while they investigate, discuss amongst themselves, email the person off the boards. Don’t prentend that there isn’t a precedent for that sort of thing. Why? What difference would it make? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/187 "2005-02-25T04:53:12Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I agree with **wring**. Something’s not adding up, and it’s the fact that there was enough staff around to shitcan the **Pineapples** but not enough to even suspend someone who was proven to be lying and has now confessed to it. > > Someone’s screwing the pooch, and it sure as hell wasn’t **Can of Pineapples**. Socks are automatically banned, no questions asked. Someone like **NumberSix/Kaitlyn** is different and discussions would have to take place first. However, I think he (I’m going to assume when **Kaitlyn** said it’s all “true”, that means that it really WAS the poster **NumberSix** pretending to be a MtF Korean lesbian), definitely will be banned. What a shitty thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/188 "2005-02-25T04:54:41Z")
The admin here has banned posters in the past who admitted to lying in one thread. This poster didn’t own up to any lying until they were outed. Those who were banned in the past for lying in order to create contraversy were called for trolling. What more contraversial subject could there be than a transexual lesbian elementary school teacher in Texas? So, couldn’t every thread this person started or posted in _as that particular individual_ be considered trolling behavior? What knowledge of anything of this person do we have that is verifiable other than the fact that they got cought in lies? No smiley for you, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Sweeney\_Astray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Sweeney\_Astray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweeney_Astray)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/189 "2005-02-25T04:56:10Z")
Not making any accustations. Just to be clear. But isn’t the prime rule here ‘don’t be a jerk’? And while being generally crabbit, as may be the case for several of the other people involved, is techinically ‘being a jerk’…isn’t stringing people along for four years, getting people emotionally involved in your story and then admitting that you’ve been lying (but not for the last three months) being an abnormally large jerk? I understand the trials of working with reduced staff, but aren’t threads with huge revelations like this usually abruptly hidden until the parties involved can be sorted out? Fair play to you, though, for keeping this open, **TVeblen** ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/190 "2005-02-25T04:57:22Z")
**TVeblen** pointed out that suspensions happen upon review, same as bannings. If there isn’t enough available staff to discuss the suspension right now, a suspension can’t happen. I’m not sure why the lack of an immediate suspension/banning of **Kaitlyn** is such a big deal. Let them get to it when they can. ---
**Author:** ![Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soul_brother_number_two/32/3515_2.png) [@Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soul_Brother_Number_Two)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/191 "2005-02-25T05:00:26Z")
All I have to say is that this is the best crash and burn since good ol FreakFreely. Awe-inspiring in every way possible, not in the least whoever did all that damn research to, um, “out” Kaitlyn. We’ll be talking of this for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/192 "2005-02-25T05:02:02Z")
I guess he won’t be back, but I for one would like to know WHAT possessed you to do such a thing, **NumberSix**. (I refuse to call this person “Kaitlyn”, since that was an outright lie). And yeah, I’d say stringing people along for support over a very controversial issue is trolling and being a jerk. For god sakes, like legitimate transgendered folk don’t have enough to deal with already? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/193 "2005-02-25T05:02:37Z")
Boy, now the Yoda-like calm wisdom of her principal seems obviously invented. Hindsight is 20/20. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/194 "2005-02-25T05:05:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Boy, now the Yoda-like calm wisdom of her principal seems obviously invented. Hindsight is 20/20. Not to mention the way “Mrs. Six” just calmly accepted that her husband was transgendered and immediately turned bi/lesbian without so much as a gasp. It’s sad, it really is. Because now I have a feeling that anyone else on this board claiming to be transgendered is going to be heckled and scrutinized like crazy. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/195 "2005-02-25T05:08:02Z")
Yeah. It doesn’t seem as though **Kaitlyn** is likely to get up to a great ruckus in the time it takes for the admins to decide on a punishment. I’d just like **Kaitlyn** to know that, although (obviously) everything I said in defence of trans people and gender freedom stands unquestionably, I’m more than a little hurt that she chose to play her allies for fools. It is easier to be dishonest on the Internet than in real life, but a community like this only functions properly if we are able to suspend disbelief and interact with one another as though our life stories on the board are not completely at odds with what exists in meatspace. I hope she’s aware that in all probability, too, she’s given other current, and any future, genderqueer, transgender, or transsexual Dopers a harder row to hoe. Certainly, this will be attributable to prejudice, but non-gender-normative people already have to go through so much arrant second-guessing of our life stories and situations that having that actually be justified in this instance is quite galling. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/196 "2005-02-25T05:08:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Why? What difference would it make? clarify please? haven’t a clue what you’re responding to in my post. **Skip** - your response doesn’t answer my question. "if there was sufficient staff etc available to ban **can o Pineapples** \*after they’d posted the links demonstrating the siginficant lies by **Kaitlyn** why in the fuck wasn’t **Kaitlyn** at least temporarily suspended “while they investigated” That’s what happened to **vanilla** Two additional points to make: anyone recall when last time I agreed w/ **catsiz & milroyj**? anyone recall the last time I posted suggesting that the PTB here 'dropped the ball"?? really. sure stuff will ‘happen eventually’ I have no problem w/that. but shit. there is plenty of cases where they at least temporily suspended some one while shit got sorted out. I don’t get why that didn’t happen here. ---
**Author:** ![Keapon\_Laffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@Keapon\_Laffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keapon_Laffin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/197 "2005-02-25T05:10:29Z")
Purely speculation. Perhaps \*\*NumberSix \*\* has a friend/relative who recently transgendered themselves (I’m not sure what the politically correct term is). Maybe he was trying to share the experience? And to those guys who flirted with \*\*Kaitlyn \*\* in other threads, I say this to you: bwahahahahahahaha… hehehehe… 😛 - madly dashes off ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/198 "2005-02-25T05:12:42Z")
> [@wring](#): > > **Skip** - your response doesn’t answer my question. "if there was sufficient staff etc available to ban **can o Pineapples** \*after they’d posted the links demonstrating the siginficant lies by **Kaitlyn** why in the fuck wasn’t **Kaitlyn** at least temporarily suspended “while they investigated” That’s what happened to **vanilla** Sure it does: it only takes one mod/admin to ban a sock. It takes several staff to review and agree upon a suspension or a banning. If there aren’t enough staff on-line needed to discuss the possible suspension/banning, then it can’t happen. But since at least one staff member was on-line to catch and ban the sock, that’s what happened. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/199 "2005-02-25T05:14:52Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not to mention the way “Mrs. Six” just calmly accepted that her husband was transgendered and immediately turned bi/lesbian without so much as a gasp. Ah, but you’re wrong. Mrs Six was a real screamer, as I recall. > [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I hope she’s aware that in all probability, too, she’s given other current, and any future, genderqueer, transgender, or transsexual Dopers a harder row to hoe. Certainly, this will be attributable to prejudice, but non-gender-normative people already have to go through so much arrant second-guessing of our life stories and situations that \*\*having that actually be justified in this instance \*\* is quite galling. But nothing of the kind was justified in this instance. Someone got a kick out of recreating themselves as someone that was popular, accepted and affirmed. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/200 "2005-02-25T05:16:40Z")
Also, **wring** , you’ll need to verify this with the staff, but when previous suspensions happened (e.g., **vanilla** ), they probably had enough staff on-line and available to review and enact a suspension. More than likely that’s the difference between now and then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=11)