# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/201 "2005-02-25T05:18:08Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > Sure it does: it only takes one mod/admin to ban a sock. It takes several staff to review and agree upon a suspension or a banning. so for more than 8 hours there’s been insufficient staff available to at least **temporarily suspend** some one?? again.cripes. I **like** damn near all the staff here. I’m generally supportive of the staff, the job they do, timing and shit. I don’t recall ever saying they dropped the ball. they did here, IMHO YMOV ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/202 "2005-02-25T05:24:07Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > Also, **wring** , you’ll need to verify this with the staff, but when previous suspensions happened (e.g., **vanilla** ), they probably had enough staff on-line and available to review and enact a suspension. More than likely that’s the difference between now and then. **Can of Pineapples** was banned pretty quickly. Why the dithering on **Kaitlyn**? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/203 "2005-02-25T05:24:37Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > But nothing of the kind was justified in this instance. Someone got a kick out of recreating themselves as someone that was popular, accepted and affirmed. That’s all. I was referring to **Kaitlyn** personally: **Kaitlyn** ’s identity _did_ turn out to be false, which is something that _bona fide_ genderqueer and trans people are constantly being accused of. It ought not to make a difference in the way other trans people are treated, but it still hurts. Meh. This position isn’t very coherent, just emotional. I’m just worried that the next trans person to come out or come on board will get a big gout of skepticism that they don’t deserve. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/204 "2005-02-25T05:24:51Z")
> [@wring](#): > > so for more than 8 hours there’s been insufficient staff available to at least **temporarily suspend** some one?? > > again.cripes. I **like** damn near all the staff here. I’m generally supportive of the staff, the job they do, timing and shit. I don’t recall ever saying they dropped the ball. they did here, IMHO YMOV It’s certainly not impossible or unlikely. And, to tell the truth, I’m not even sure what the make-up of the review group needs to be. Is it an admin and two mods? Lacking an available admin, three mods? I dunno. Overall though, does it really matter if it takes twenty minutes, eight hours or a whole day? I know we’re looking at this differently, but I guess I don’t see why something needs to happen immediately. I also don’t see what time has passed as unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/205 "2005-02-25T05:26:46Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > **Can of Pineapples** was banned pretty quickly. Why the dithering on **Kaitlyn**? Because he was a sock; socks can be banned by one staff member. Suspending or banning a non-sock (especially a long-time member) requires a review by several of the staff–most of whom haven’t been available throughout this all (according to **TVeblen** ). ---
**Author:** ![MissGypsy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@MissGypsy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissGypsy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/206 "2005-02-25T05:26:50Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I’d just like **Kaitlyn** to know that, although (obviously) everything I said in defence of trans people and gender freedom stands unquestionably, I’m more than a little hurt that she chose to play her allies for fools. It is easier to be dishonest on the Internet than in real life, but a community like this only functions properly if we are able to suspend disbelief and interact with one another as though our life stories on the board are not completely at odds with what exists in meatspace. > > I hope she’s aware that in all probability, too, she’s given other current, and any future, genderqueer, transgender, or transsexual Dopers a harder row to hoe. Certainly, this will be attributable to prejudice, but non-gender-normative people already have to go through so much arrant second-guessing of our life stories and situations that having that actually be justified in this instance is quite galling. I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but I must say, **matt** , well said. I’ve been sitting here in the middle of nowhere, feeling for this (apparently fictional )person, and trying to understand such gender issues. Now it’s all fake? I _thought_ I gained a little more insight into gender issues. Guess not. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/207 "2005-02-25T05:29:52Z")
The hell of it, **MissGypsy** is that everything that **Kaitlyn** _claimed_ to be going through is stuff that people I know – including people on this board – actually _are_ going through. Bear in mind, she fooled everyone who actually has experience with the subject. If it had rung false, someone would have said something before now. So wherever she got all the data from (for all I know, she might really be trans and have made up all the other stuff, or, as someone suggested, have trans acquaintances), you don’t have to reject what you gained. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/208 "2005-02-25T05:30:19Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > Meh. This position isn’t very coherent, just emotional. I’m just worried that the next trans person to come out or come on board will get a big gout of skepticism that they don’t deserve. Look, Matt, I mentioned my PhD thesis and a number of posters are sceptical and sneering. So what? And if a person who’s going through the trauma of transition (whether including SRS or not) can’t handle what some people write on a message board, then I hate to think how they’re going to cope in real life. Never leave the house?! ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/209 "2005-02-25T05:31:55Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > And if a person who’s going through the trauma of transition (whether including SRS or not) can’t handle what some people write on a message board, then I hate to think how they’re going to cope in real life. Never leave the house?! Nah. I’ve gotten my fair share of undeserved abuse here and I’m still tickin’. It just makes getting through the day more tiresome. “Today was _such_ a waste of makeup…” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/210 "2005-02-25T05:32:00Z")
> [@wring](#): > > clarify please? > > haven’t a clue what you’re responding to in my post. Why does it matter if she is suspended right away? What difference does it make if the administration takes a day or two until there are enough administrators online to make the decision? It’s interesting to me that **Kaitlyn** knew so much about the process of gender transitioning and transgender psychology, to the point where she fooled all of the other transgendered posters who participated in her threads. That’s a pretty obsessive level of detail for someone who isn’t actually transgendered themselves to research and internalize. I don’t think this is as simple as someone pulling a prank on the boards just for the hell of it. **Kaitlyn** , if you’re still reading this: you’ve pissed off a lot of people, me included, but that doesn’t mean you don’t still have friends here. If there’s anything you want to talk about, my e-mail is in my profile. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/211 "2005-02-25T05:35:23Z")
Although, **Roger** , now that I think about it, a lot of people use the internet as a test balloon before coming out in real life, so it’s not inconceivable that someone could post, especially in a relatively accepting forum such as this one, while in a delicate state. Unwarranted abuse could be traumatic in that situation. At any rate, it’s never nice to have undeserved shit dumped on you, regardless of where you are in life. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/212 "2005-02-25T05:38:19Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Why does it matter if she is suspended right away? What difference does it make if the administration takes a day or two until there are enough administrators online to make the decision? > . a suspension can be lifted, if there’s sufficient cause. and there’s precendence for that. however, posting here is a privilege. screw up, and you should loose that privilege. at least for a period of time while they verify shit. again, there’s plenty of precedent of folks being temporarily suspended while they sorted shit out. In some cases (none that I can think of at the moment) where some bizarre situation occured and the person was banned, but when shit got sorted out all was ok. Point being - the listed thread show **sufficient cause** to at least suspend while you sort shit out. that’s been routinely done here. why not in this case? ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/213 "2005-02-25T05:40:31Z")
> [@wring](#): > > Point being - the listed thread show **sufficient cause** to at least suspend while you sort shit out. that’s been routinely done here. why not in this case? Because there haven’t been enough staff on-line to take care of it. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/214 "2005-02-25T05:42:38Z")
You can all stop squabbling about whether or not **Kaitlyn** should be suspended, banned or whatever, now. The decision seems to have been made. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/215 "2005-02-25T05:42:46Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > The allegations directed at me are true. Which ones? That you lied about being transgendered, or that you lied in posts you made before you came out as “Kaitlyn”? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/216 "2005-02-25T05:42:55Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > Because he was a sock; socks can be banned by one staff member. Suspending or banning a non-sock (especially a long-time member) requires a review by several of the staff–most of whom haven’t been available throughout this all (according to **TVeblen** ). From what I have read, only an Admin, not a Mod, can ban someone. If that’s true, at least one Admin was around to ban **CoP** , so what is the hesitation about Kaitlyn? All of a sudden, a group discussion is necessary? From the SDMB registration agreement: > [@](#): > > You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the SDMB to post any material that is knowingly false The poster admitted to lying for almost 4 years, for heaven’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/217 "2005-02-25T05:45:22Z")
Yikes! Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/218 "2005-02-25T05:45:33Z")
Kaitlyn is offline and I’ve no reason to suppose he’ll be back in a hurry. By the way, did anyone else find it strange that a teacher would be up till all hours posting when they had to get up early the next morning? I put it down to all the hormones. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/219 "2005-02-25T05:48:04Z")
Like I said. I **generally** have been supportive of staff here. I find it difficult to believe that in over 8 hours, there’s never been sufficient staff avaiable to at least **temporarily** suspended privileges under these circumstances. I recall posters that had **years and years** of posting w/ long lists of infractions taking a long time, but never recalled a poster where it was **obviousl** that they’d played the members here w/ lies after lies, where their posting privileges weren’t at least temporarily suspended. and I recall any number of occasions (if not the names) where there was a temporary concern about socks/lies/whatever where a poster’s privileges were suspended immediately “subject to review”. goddamn. I"m about damn near the most ‘staff suportive’ poster here. I recall **ONCE** emailing privately that I thought they’d not done the best thing. I don’t ever recall saying “yep they screwed up”. along w/me agreeing w/folks I’ve gone head to head w/on any number of occasions. this bugs the shit out of me. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/220 "2005-02-25T05:49:49Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > By the way, did anyone else find it strange that a teacher would be up till all hours posting when they had to get up early the next morning? I put it down to all the hormones. Holy shit, people _notice_ the timestamp on posts? _looks around nervously_ I must say, my hotmail account keeps filling up with dozens of notifications from this thread alone every 10 minutes. I should really unsubscribe it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=12)