# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/221 "2005-02-25T05:49:50Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I don’t ever recall saying “yep they screwed up”. along w/me agreeing w/folks I’ve gone head to head w/on any number of occasions. > > this bugs the shit out of me. Look at it as your coming out. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/222 "2005-02-25T05:49:50Z")
Thanks for not answering my question, **wring**. Guess it’s academic now, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/223 "2005-02-25T05:49:55Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > You can all stop squabbling about whether or not **Kaitlyn** should be suspended, banned or whatever, now. The decision seems to have been made. done after I’d composed my last post, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/224 "2005-02-25T05:49:59Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > From what I have read, only an Admin, not a Mod, can ban someone. If that’s true, at least one Admin was around to ban **CoP** , so what is the hesitation about Kaitlyn? You’ll have to verify that with the staff. But even if an admin were available, that may not have been enough staff on-line to review a suspension or banning. I’m going with what **TVeblen** said when she stated not enough staff were available. > [@](#): > > All of a sudden, a group discussion is necessary? Yes. Different ways of handling the banning of socks versus long-time posters. > [@](#): > > Yikes! Never mind. But I went to the trouble and composed this post and everything! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/225 "2005-02-25T05:50:23Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Which ones? That you lied about being transgendered, or that you lied in posts you made before you came out as “Kaitlyn”? Seems to me that (s)he meant all his or her posts. That’s my interpretation, at least. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/226 "2005-02-25T05:52:34Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > Holy shit, people _notice_ the timestamp on posts? _looks around nervously_ You don’t because you’re always posting at normal hours (presumably - haven’t checked you out yet!). But if you were posting in a place that was 12/16 hours ahead of the place where the majority of posters post from (N. America), then you might notice. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/227 "2005-02-25T05:55:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Thanks for not answering my question, **wring**. Guess it’s academic now, anyway. thought I had. why did it matter? there was sufficient proof given (even if by a troll) that a poster here had made significant posted lies. for whatever reason. I recall cases (but not names, though I have some vague recollection that \*\* elucidator\*\* pere et fils were suspected of being socks momentarily and they were both banned/suspended or whateve ‘while they sorted shit out’. many, many hours went on here. I understand that not all mods/admins are available every second. But I found it difficult (and still do) that the sock was banned and no action was taken on the other for hours and hours and hours. bad faith and all. clearer now? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/228 "2005-02-25T05:58:49Z")
I know some people were very eager to see Kaitlyn get banned, but it’s not like she was posting a mile a minute and filling up every forum with threads. Patience grasshopper! I swear, this culture of instant gratification is becoming less and less of a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/229 "2005-02-25T05:59:50Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > By the way, did anyone else find it strange that a teacher would be up till all hours posting when they had to get up early the next morning? I put it down to all the hormones. I feel like a total idiot right now. I remember replying to one of his or her posts three or four days ago at 1:00 AM and checking back around 1:30 AM because I had noticed (s)he kept late hours like I do while not once realizing that 1:30 my time is 3:30 in Texas. I don’t deny I’m not a cynic though and my trusting nature is a bit of a flaw. Still. Something that suspect? Der. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/230 "2005-02-25T06:01:43Z")
I think the issue with **'luci** happened before the paid membership, **wring** ; and I think it was an admin ( **Lynn** or **Tuba** ) who took care of that right away. But when we went to paid membership, I seem to recall (though, correct me if I’m wrong) the handling of suspensions/bannings changing to a group review process. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/231 "2005-02-25T06:13:38Z")
“suspended while we sort through shit” was what I was looking for. didn’t happen. I have patience for longer term stuff. Y’all dropped the ball on this one. I am most sorry to say. whatever. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/232 "2005-02-25T06:14:22Z")
> [@wring](#): > > many, many hours went on here. > > I understand that not all mods/admins are available every second. But I found it difficult (and still do) that the sock was banned and no action was taken on the other for hours and hours and hours. Yeah, it was a full **eight hours** between the allegations and the banning. I just _shudder_ to think of all the pillow fights she could’ve started in that time! Sock puppets are designed to go on and do as much damage as they can before they get deleted. They generally go through the boards quickly and spread a lot of shit around that the mods then have to clean up. **Kaitlyn** / **Number Six** was somebody who, for reasons known only to him or her, invented a pretty elaborate backstory to pose as a transgendered woman and goof off in comic book and flirt threads. Weird, annoying, and deceitful, but overall pretty harmless. (Painting all transsexuals as confused, mentally incompetent, socially inept, or deceitful isn’t harmless, of course. But she didn’t do that until she got “outed.”) I don’t see what the big deal is about waiting to ban someone harmless. At best, it gave a bunch of people more time to light their torches and dust off their Frankenstein rakes. And I don’t see any point in chastising the board management for not acting more quickly in what is certainly one depressing-as-hell story: Best case, she’s a pre- or post-op transsexual who made up lies about a new happy life she was going through, using pictures of the woman she wanted to be and the woman she wanted to be with. Worst case, he’s a severely lonely white-boy comic book fan somewhere, so desperate for companionship that he’d invent an impossibly elaborate story to get attention on a message board he can no longer post to. Most obnoxious case, he’s somebody whose life is so empty he has to get his rocks off stringing along a bunch of “liberal PC nerds” on an internet message board for months to get his kicks and see how many people would fall for it. I don’t see a “happy resolution” in any of those cases. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/233 "2005-02-25T06:17:31Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I understand that not all mods/admins are available every second. But I found it difficult (and still do) that the sock was banned and no action was taken on the other for hours and hours and hours. I’m a Mod. I can ban a guest all on my own. If you’re a paying member, I can’t ban you, all on my own. I need an admin, one **at a minimum** , to sign off on this. At a given hour, there are many, many mods who log on, check things, and log off. Less admins. Make any more sense yet? ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/234 "2005-02-25T06:21:45Z")
> [@Keapon Laffin](#): > > And to those guys who flirted with \*\*Kaitlyn \*\* in other threads, I say this to you: bwahahahahahahaha… hehehehe… 😛 Yeah, suckers! You revealed that you’re attracted to hot Asian actresses and singers! PWNED!!! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/235 "2005-02-25T06:27:17Z")
Perhaps it’s a case of Munchausen by Internet? ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/236 "2005-02-25T06:29:19Z")
> [@wring](#): > > “suspended while we sort through shit” was what I was looking for. didn’t happen. Of course it didn’t happen. Because, as **TVeblen** said, there wasn’t enough staff on-line. Besides that, though, I can’t see where they dropped the ball–even if there were enough staff available. No one promised us a specific time-frame for suspending members who screwed up; there’s no guarantee that they’ll move as quickly as we either would like them to move or assume they will. If this had gone on for a week, I could sympathize with you; less than half a day, though, it’s not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/237 "2005-02-25T06:33:06Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Make any more sense yet? appreciate the post. but no. most sorry to say, but no. I have a difficult time believing that in the many hours that transpired, at no time was **any** of the admins on line at all, not able to get an emergency email etc. I was out of my office all day today, too. My staff knew how to get in touch w/me if there had been an emergency. and there’s only one of me. I know you eventually moved on this. and there’s no reason for me to beat the deceased equine anymore. I don’t expect that anyone should loose sleep over me being disappointed. maybe at some point consider what it took to cause a strong supporter to loose faith, but, that, too is up to you., (in the generic sense). this has not been a good moment. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/238 "2005-02-25T06:43:16Z")
> [@wring](#): > > My staff knew how to get in touch w/me if there had been an emergency. Did you consider this situation an emergency? What damage has been done that could have been prevented by an immediate suspension? ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/239 "2005-02-25T06:44:35Z")
Well, I wouldn’t mind if they spent an entire eight hours mulling over the decision to ban my sorry ass. Get a grip. Tris ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/240 "2005-02-25T06:50:04Z")
In addition to Sam’s point: at what point was _any_ staff member notified of the “admission” of trolling? (Or even the _evidence_–as opposed to simply the accusation-- for trolling?) Granted, the **Pit** has several Moderators, there is still the issue that someone has to actually read the thread _or has to catch an e-mail reporting the thread_, then come back and review it. Since it takes more than one staff member to approve a banning of a charter member, first you have to figure in the time between the “evidence” appearing on the board and someone choosing to report it, then add in the time for the e-mail to be posted _and seen by a Mod_, then the time for the Mod to review the evidence and broadcast an alert to the rest of the staff, then the time for some Admin member of the staff to see _their_ e-mail, review the thread in question, and respond. (And since we do not have happy fingers hovering over the “BAN” button, there is liable to be a bit of discussion on an issue of this sort, regardless. Has anyone been hurt by the entire eight hour “delay”?) Heck, I’m surprised that we “accomplished” the banning in as few as eight hours. > [@](#): > > My staff knew how to get in touch w/me if there had been an emergency. and there’s only one of me. You and I have rather different understandings of what constitutes an emergency. A poster threatening suicide (or murder) would constitute an emergency. Some net cracker finding a way to damage the board would be an emergency. Discovering that one unfortunate poster has been holding up a facade that amounts to a plea for sympathy, while a clear violation of the rules (and, in this case, resulting in a banning) does not, in my mind, constitute an emergency. YMMV, obviously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=13)