# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/361 "2005-02-26T00:21:41Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > It seemed unbelievable from the beginning, but that’s not something you go and call someone a liar on without really good proof. The saint of a principal who defends the trannsexual elementary school teacher with fervor, and the wife who just calmly accepts that her husband is changing sexes and decides that she can deal with a lesbian relationship after all… Actually, **k6** said this in the “Yes, Number Six a girl” thread: > [@](#): > > I came out to my wife while we were still dating, and she figured out what was really going on in about 10 minutes. As a result of her encouragement, I began counseling and started the transition process three years ago. As for the principal, I got the impression that he was doing damage control for the school. From the “Miss Kaitlyn’s First Day” thread: > [@](#): > > Then he goes over the rules for dealing with parents and the media: > > Mr. P: There’s one rule and one rule only. Send them to me. If you’re approached by someone in the media, you say, “You’ll have to talk to Mr. P about that.” If you’re approached by a parent about Miss K, you send them to me. I don’t care what it’s about, you send them to me. If a parent comes to you and asks you if you think Kaitlyn is a pretty name, you send them to me and I’ll tell them. Someone mentioned the lack of media coverage of this event, but **K6** never stated definitively that there **was** media coverage, just that the principal was concerned about the **possibility**. I just gotta say that this was a really, really good story. Unlike **Skewbald** ’s story about the pajama-pants-wearing girl, which was too nauseatingly perfect to be plausible, **K6** ’s story appears to have been carefully researched and plotted out. So there was continuity within the **Kaitlyn** story. Shame that **K6** didn’t think about the discrepancies among **Number Six** ’s posts, and between the **Number Six** and **Kaitlyn** posts. > [@](#): > > I figure the ‘truth to it’ came from the stories of other transsexuals which they posted on the Web. I wonder about that. Look at [the UPS story and the convention story.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5673914&postcount=46) The emotions described in those stories come through so vividly, they have to have been experienced by someone. Maybe not those exact events, but the gist of the stories—despair over not being able to perform a previously inconsequential task; feeling menaced and panicking in what should have been an innocuous situation—could have been the same. And the emotional impact on the storyteller can’t have been invented. I googled several key phrases and came up with nothing, but **K6** could have gotten them from a book or from someone he knows. * * * Also, I hope no one minds if I bring this over from the now-closed ATMB thread. > [@](#): > > _Originally Posted by **Dooku** _ > If that were the case, how did **Can of Pineapples** use the Search funtion? A Registered User would have had to do the searching. You can click on my username in this post and get a dropdown menu with the option to “Find all posts by this member”. Can guests do that, too? I really don’t know, so I’m asking. ---
**Author:** ![Leviosaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Leviosaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leviosaurus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/362 "2005-02-26T00:24:08Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > 1. I have uncovered contradictions in the posts of another longtime doper and have questioned his integrity several times without pointing out the contradictions. He has toned down his posts quite a bit. As long as he doesn’t make any further transparent claims, is there any reason to expose him? OH YEAH! Nothing would make my day so much as another good strong dose of schadenfreude! If only they sold it in bottles… (Springer’s got nothing on the SDMB!) ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/363 "2005-02-26T00:37:12Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > You can click on my username in this post and get a dropdown menu with the option to “Find all posts by this member”. Can guests do that, too? No. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/364 "2005-02-26T00:37:33Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > 1. I have uncovered contradictions in the posts of another longtime doper and have questioned his integrity several times without pointing out the contradictions. He has toned down his posts quite a bit. As long as he doesn’t make any further transparent claims, is there any reason to expose him? Depending on the seriousness of the claimed contraditions (is s/he alleging to be a doctor, for example) I’m going to suggest that you take **Arnold Winkelried** ’s sensible suggestion and drop an email to the mods. If nothing else, your subsequent non-banning will put to rest any concerns people might have raised in this thread about the integrity of the site administration. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/365 "2005-02-26T00:41:24Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > No. I see. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/366 "2005-02-26T01:03:58Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > I see. Thank you. In that case, my opinion raised in that thread still stands: > [@Dooku](#): > > > [@Guinastasia](#): > > > > From what I gather, Can of Pineapples said (not here) that he/she was not a sock of a CURRENTLY REGISTERED member. Which means that he or she was either a returning banned user, or someone whose guest membership expired. > > > > > [@smoke](#): > > > > > > …or someone who didn’t sign up when we went pay to play. > > If that were the case, how did they use the Search funtion? A Registered User would have had to do the searching. Which means, if the Mods can’t match that IP, this User emailed someone else and had them do the dirty work. Or made their sock on a machine at some cafe somewhere or whatever. Either way, that Registered User is a chickenshit, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/367 "2005-02-26T01:06:33Z")
The links were posted at one of the anonymous Live Journal communities. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/368 "2005-02-26T01:15:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The links were posted at one of the anonymous Live Journal communities. That still would had to have been a Registered User that used the Search command. A chickenshit Registered User. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/369 "2005-02-26T01:17:03Z")
I don’t know why everybody is after **CoP** and his anonymous users. Everything posted panned out. Knowing who dropped the dime would only give you a target for your anger at being had in a masterful way. Even now some of you are defending a first-class liar. What you would do to the whistleblower, given how much you people obviously invested in this person, would be pretty ugly. Anonymous or non-anonymous, it doesn’t matter. A wrong has been righted with evidence on the public record. Good on them for doing so. All a name is good for is to give me someone to thank and congratulate. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/370 "2005-02-26T01:40:43Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I don’t know why everybody is after **CoP** and his anonymous users. Everything posted panned out. Knowing who dropped the dime would only give you a target for your anger at being had in a masterful way. Huh? Why would people direct their anger at someone other than **Number Six/Kaitlyn**? I mean, are you expecting a barrage of “You bastard, how dare you expose this liar?” posts? I don’t see that – I do see a lot of anger at **Six/lyn** , and some amount of annoyance at the use of a sock, but little or no anger directed at the person behind the sock. Maybe I’m not seeing it because I’m not invested in the debate… or am I being whooshed and that was totally tongue-in-cheek? ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/371 "2005-02-26T01:48:38Z")
It’s a shame about Kaitlyn misleading so many folks, but one benefit is that i got steered to the thread containing Beryl Mooncalf’s meltdown. If memory serves, it’s the greatest thread I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/372 "2005-02-26T01:49:24Z")
Really? You don’t see the anger? People are upset because they don’t know who it was that dimed the liar out. It doesn’t occue to you that the reason they’re angry, the reason why they’re calling them cowards, is because they don’t get to thrash the accuser a bit too? Even a well-intentioned whistleblower gets slapped around by the people who were had because he/she was the one that ruined their sacred cow. And make no mistake, our heroic **Kaitlyn** was virtually untouchable- what bravery she had, how hard her life was, and how insightful she was :rolleyes:. When it came out that it was all garbage some of the anger was inevitably going to be aimed at the whistleblower. It happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/373 "2005-02-26T01:49:37Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I don’t know why everybody is after **CoP** and his anonymous users. Everything posted panned out. Knowing who dropped the dime would only give you a target for your anger at being had in a masterful way. Even now some of you are defending a first-class liar. What you would do to the whistleblower, given how much you people obviously invested in this person, would be pretty ugly. > > Anonymous or non-anonymous, it doesn’t matter. A wrong has been righted with evidence on the public record. Good on them for doing so. All a name is good for is to give me someone to thank and congratulate. I don’t know about ‘defending’ Kaitlyn, but I thought the stories about Mr. P (the school Principal) dealing with bigotry was masterful. As a teacher, I think this was a textbook example of how to support your staff and was well worth publishing (fiction or not). I also don’t understand your allegations about my ‘doing something ugly’ to CoP. What did you have in mind? Calling an anonymous poster names in the Pit? 😕 Just for interest, if CoP turns out to be Kaitlyn, will you be thanking and congratulating her? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/374 "2005-02-26T02:07:39Z")
Really? You don’t see the anger? People are upset because they don’t know who it was that dimed the liar out. It doesn’t occue to you that the reason they’re angry, the reason why they’re calling them cowards, is because they don’t get to thrash the accuser a bit too? Even a well-intentioned whistleblower gets slapped around by the people who were had because he/she was the one that ruined their sacred cow. And make no mistake, our heroic **Kaitlyn** was virtually untouchable- what bravery she had, how hard her life was, and how insightful she was :rolleyes:. When it came out that it was all garbage some of the anger was inevitably going to be aimed at the whistleblower. It happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/375 "2005-02-26T02:09:40Z")
Pardon the doublepost. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/376 "2005-02-26T02:17:13Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Really? You don’t see the anger? People are upset because they don’t know who it was that dimed the liar out. It doesn’t occue to you that the reason they’re angry, the reason why they’re calling them cowards, is because they don’t get to thrash the accuser a bit too? 😕 I can’t speak for anyone else, but that has absolutely nothing to do with me calling whoever it is a chickenshit. Why would I thrash the accuser? I would have **congratulated** the accuser, had the accuser simply posted as themselves. Posting search results on Live Journal anonymously and then hoping one of those guttersnipes over there would do the dirty work doesn’t strike you as a chickenshit thing to do? IMO, YMMV and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/377 "2005-02-26T02:25:54Z")
I don’t think anyone is trashing **pineapples** because he/she outed **Kaitlyn** , **Airman**. I don’t think anyone here is too thrilled with **Kaitlyn/NumberSix** , to put it mildly. We’re just saying that the person who did out **Kaitlyn** did so in a cowardly way, and most likely did it for the satisfaction of seeing the shit hit the fan-not because they were upset about **Kaitlyn** being a fucking fraud. Personally, I **Kaitlyn/NumberSix** as moronic shithead who made up some shit just for attention. ---
**Author:** ![thewombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc8723/32.png) [@thewombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thewombat)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/378 "2005-02-26T02:31:14Z")
Zoe - I was thinking soap opera scripts. Just add some amnesia. 'Scuse the newbie question, but did MrsSix (or whatever Kaitlyn called her wife, I thought it was MrsSix) even post? I just noticed Kaitlyn mentioning her a lot, but I don’t recall seeing any posts by someone by this usename. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/379 "2005-02-26T02:55:23Z")
**K6** is banned so this thread will be closed. No matter the behavior that prompted her banning, she can’t respond anymore. This was one ugly situation but fair’s fair: it’s no less or more than how other banees have been treated. FWIW, **Little Nemo** started a thread about [some of the issues underlying this situation](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304214). Folks who still have some lingering ambiguities or concerns to thrash out can do it there. As tempting as it is, please don’t bash **K6** there. Locked. TVeblen Pit mod ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/380 "2005-02-26T03:00:24Z")
Dang, I forgot to add that issues about how the situation was handled are legitimate and fair game. Just don’t flame **K6** in the process. Veb [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=18)