# Get your fucking facts right (Kaitlyn/Priceguy) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342 "2005-02-22T15:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![liirogue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dbc845/32.png) [@liirogue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liirogue)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/121 "2005-02-24T22:59:06Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > Hey, knock yourselves out! Even if your spy search does dig up the fact that all the Dopers in question are really 45-year-old WASP guys all sharing a basement internet connection somewhere in Iowa, it doesn’t change a single thing I’ve said in this thread. Take a chill pill and read what I wrote again. It only regards the information that **Can of Pineapples** posted, nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![AlbertHosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AlbertHosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlbertHosteen)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/122 "2005-02-24T23:09:01Z")
**Miller** - actually, reading **Guin** ’s comment more closely, she was just talking about behaviour in this thread, nothing more, so I was wrong about that - apologies **Guin**. I falsely conflated her with others. OTOH, I do think that getting a more rounded picture of someone is a good thing to do before judging them. > [@](#): > > How is a comment made about how someone acts on the boards any different from an extrapolation about how they are in real life? If I read paul’s OP and say, “He’s an asshole,” am I commenting on his behavior on the boards, or am I commenting on his behavior in real life? IMO you’d be being overpresumptious and calling his whole person an asshole rather than just his behaviour. I think you have to know more than a few posts from a person before you can assess their character. But then, I know that few people in the pit ( **paul** included, probably) would agree with me on that one. > [@](#): > > Precious few of you are calling him on being a dick in his OP. Of course, that could be because you don’t think he is being a dick in his OP, but at this point, that’s a seperate issue. I think there are enough people piling on to **paul** in this thread. We take our disagreements elsewhere. > [@](#): > > He may be a great guy in real life. He is actually one of the greatest guys I know (and I know a lot of great guys). **Sol,** I chose that part because that was the part that had already been quoted and commented on by **Jenny** and then **Guinastasia** commented on that post. Also, your original comment wasn’t on the preview page, and my computer’s slow so I’m guilty of avoiding checking back to previous pages if I can help it. Just for luck, here’s the comment I quoted again: > [@](#): > > Sounds like “paulberserker” has some deeper issues “he” needs to deal with. I wonder what “he” is really offended by – a transsexual lesbian crashing a straights-only thread, or the fact that there really are transsexual lesbians out there, and “his” being uncomfortable of that doesn’t matter one fucking bit, and there’s not a damn thing “he” can do about it. You are making big assumptions about someone there. If you don’t give a rat’s ass whether he’s gay or homophobic, then why did you imply that he may be either secretly gay or homophobic/transphobic? Miller: Sol said transexual lesbians, not just transexuals. And yes, **scifisam** I am - and before that I was QueenAl, but lost the passwords. That was many, many years ago. Looks like this thread is taking a rather different turn now anyway. I really must go to bed now and email the mods in the morning (about the name change). ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/123 "2005-02-24T23:24:44Z")
> [@Can of Pineapples](#): > > I don’t think Kaitlyn realized that when you change your SDMB handle, the handle on all your previous posts also changes. That doesn’t make much sense. If she wished to hide who she was before, would she really keep calling her wife Mrs Six? Be that as it may. My only reaction to your posts is - damn. Unless **Kaitlyn** has a really good explanation, I’m going to feel _quite_ the shithead. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/124 "2005-02-24T23:26:42Z")
> [@AlbertHosteen](#): > > IMO you’d be being overpresumptious and calling his whole person an asshole rather than just his behaviour. I don’t think it’s possible to seperate the person from his behavior. The only way to know who a person is, is to observe how he behaves. Of course, being his friend, you have the opportunity to observe his behavior more closely and regularly, which gives your opinion more weight. On the other hand, being his friend, you’re going to be biased in any judgement you make about his behavior, which gives your opinion less weight. Kinda makes it a wash. > [@](#): > > **Sol,** I chose that part because that was the part that had already been quoted and commented on by **Jenny** and then **Guinastasia** commented on that post. Also, your original comment wasn’t on the preview page, and my computer’s slow so I’m guilty of avoiding checking back to previous pages if I can help it. Just for luck, here’s the comment I quoted again: > > You are making big assumptions about someone there. If you don’t give a rat’s ass whether he’s gay or homophobic, then why did you imply that he may be either secretly gay or homophobic/transphobic? Possibly because he was trying to illustrate the insulting and hypocritical nature of **paul** ’s OP through parody? Hence all the quote marks around the pronouns. That’s how I read it, anyway. Of course, he’s my boyfriend and all, so I’d expect you to put as much weight on my opinion of **Sol** as I do on your opinion of **paul** , if not less. > [@](#): > > Miller: Sol said transexual lesbians, not just transexuals. From the second page: > [@SolGrundy](#): > > Then bully for it! I notice it didn’t make any petty cracks (at least in the OP) about Kaitlyn’s being a lesbian, so it’s not homophobic. I notice it didn’t make any comments about her being Korean, so it’s not racist, either (at least against Koreans). The rest of his post (#85) expands and explains his original post much more clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Sweeney\_Astray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Sweeney\_Astray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweeney_Astray)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/125 "2005-02-24T23:27:44Z")
This is fascinating. Do continue. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/126 "2005-02-24T23:52:38Z")
> [@AlbertHosteen](#): > > You are making big assumptions about someone there. If you don’t give a rat’s ass whether he’s gay or homophobic, then why did you imply that he may be either secretly gay or homophobic/transphobic? I never implied that he was “secretly gay.” For one, I was in the middle of insulting him, and that wouldn’t be an insult coming from me. Are you getting that because I kept saying “him” or calling him “it?” That wasn’t a gay thing; that was to show exactly how asinine it was to keep doing it to someone else – it’s really, really obnoxious, not just “having a go at ‘her’” and “no big deal” and “there’s some objective question as to her gender identity in three states.” And I wasn’t implying that he’s transphobic. I was saying it outright. I don’t see any other justification for showing such little respect for someone that you continue to call them by a gender or than what they want to be called. If there is some non-asshole justification for it, **paulberserker** has yet to offer one, only “just havin’ a bit o’ fun, hey what? Why are you all dogpiling me and whining?” > [@AlbertHosteen](#): > > Miller: Sol said transexual lesbians, not just transexuals. Mea culpa. I threw “lesbians” in there for shock value, when I guess I should’ve just said, “transsexual women.” And speaking of hypocritical, it’s really hypocritical of me to have said in previous threads that it’s obnoxious to keep making such a big issue of transsexuality, even when it’s well-intentioned and in the person’s defense, and then keep dragging it out in this thread. So mea culpa times two. ---
**Author:** ![Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Can_of_Pineapples)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/127 "2005-02-25T00:06:44Z")
Photographic evidence, even. “Number Six” in this post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1340824#post1340824](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1340824#post1340824) worries that he might be “too pale” for “Mrs. Six.” He also mocks people who call “Mrs. Six” “dark”–“like someone from a tropical country wouldn’t be dark.” And now for the photos. Here’s “Kaitlyn”, as posted in the Doper Photo thread: [![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/KaitlynLee/Gilda57.jpg) ](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/KaitlynLee/Gilda57.jpg) Pretty pale, huh? Well…not compared with “Mrs. Six”: [![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/KaitlynLee/Chingmy39.jpg) ](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/KaitlynLee/Chingmy39.jpg) Just for the record, these are where Kaitlyn and Mrs. Six’s photos are posted on the Dope (the links are buried in the smileys): > **[Another Doper Photo thread. . .](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5862063)** > > Second request. Are you coming to the Orientation testing? Or the pillow fight? You’ll need to post a detailed description of your lingerie to join the pillow fight. Protests of these rules may be lodged with Mrs. Six. 😃 > **[Another Doper Photo thread. . .](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5862067)** > > Three requests. Hmmm. We’re getting closer.😉 Now, let’s look at Mrs. Six, shall we? Kaitlyn claims later in the thread ([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5865881](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5865881)) that the photo is a modeling headshot. While “modeling headshot” and “working for McD’s” seem contradictory, I suppose it is somewhat plausible. However, notice the filename: there is a Hong Kong actress by the name of Chimgmy Yau, though I can’t find a photo of the actress that matches the one of the supposed Mrs. Six. Maybe this one? Third one over on the top row: [http://images.google.com/images?q=Chingmy+Yau&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&start=40&sa=N](http://images.google.com/images?q=Chingmy+Yau&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&start=40&sa=N) When you click on the pic its not available on the page that comes up, but here it is full screen sized: [http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~gianni/images/img104.jpg](http://www11.ocn.ne.jp/~gianni/images/img104.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/128 "2005-02-25T00:10:51Z")
My God! Someone may have created a false persona and used it misrepresent themselves! On the internet! I’m shocked and appalled! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to ride my supersized genetically-engineered rabbit off to my hoveryacht to join my good friend Andy Richter for a cruise to the frozen methane seas of Mercury! ---
**Author:** ![Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Can_of_Pineapples)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/129 "2005-02-25T00:24:27Z")
True dat, Metacom. Did you know, for example, that I am not actually a can of pineapples? As a matter of fact, I am a fully sentient fresh pineapple that poses as the canned variety to gain wider acceptance in the marketplace. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/130 "2005-02-25T00:24:43Z")
Cock-and-bull stories don’t go over too well around here. Whether or not that should be, it is that way. I’m somewhat upset. I found **Kaitlyn** ’s posts about her experiences to be very informative. I was pleased when she confirmed my statement in a thread about transsexualism. Now it may be that much or all of what I thought I learned from her is a fallacy. If I was reading fiction when I believed I was reading a personal account, that’s not necessarily time wasted. But how do I know if the source of those stories is credible? If Kaitlyn was a straight white male all along, he still may be an authority on the subject; he may know a transsexual, and have gotten some other information from careful study. But perhaps not. And it’s that **question** that bothers me. ---
**Author:** ![Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@Can\_of\_Pineapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Can_of_Pineapples)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/131 "2005-02-25T00:33:49Z")
More proof that “Number Six” is white: his brother-in-law castigates him for marrying outside the Anglo-Saxon race: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1258974#post1258974](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=1258974#post1258974) I guess that makes me an “Anglo-Saxon-aphobe”, too. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/132 "2005-02-25T00:44:50Z")
All right, folks, this is getting toward the edge, even for the Pit. **PaulBerserker** , you’re spewing bile in all directions. Ratchet back the venom. We’re looking into how this was reported, so to speak, but those cites are cause for concern. \*_Kaitlyn_, you have some serious ‘splainin’ to do. You garnered a lot of attention, praise and support from Dopers. You were quite prolific in posting for that; better be equally willing to answer this. TVeblen Pit mod ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/133 "2005-02-25T00:50:52Z")
Eh. Most of **Can of Pineapple** ’s accusations seem pretty thin to me. Four years ago, **Kaitlyn** was engaged to a Filipino woman. Now she’s married to a Korean woman. Amazingly enough, being engaged to a woman does not always mean you end up marrying her. Especially when the potential groom is an undiagnosed transsexual. Gosh, what could possibly have gone wrong with that relationship, and why wouldn’t the former **Number Six** want to share all the gory details with us? Oh, and she may have lied about her age, which makes her entirely unique in the history of all womankind. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/134 "2005-02-25T00:52:21Z")
Number Six was the fraud, an invention based very loosely on certain aspects of my brother’s life, with some details borrowed from the lives of some of my wife’s friends. Nearly everything I ever posted here about any aspect of my personal life before late December of last year was a lie, mostly made up out of whole cloth, with certain elements borrowed from my brother’s life. The lies weren’t even consistent with each other, as has been pointed out here. As in my real life, I was attempting to pass myself off as something I wasn’t, and doing a poor job of it. Given the number of lies I was telling up to the posting of the “Number Six is a Girl” thread, there’s really no reason why anyone should believe me now, and I don’t expect that many will. I had hoped to make a clean break from the lies and deceptions I had been spreading up to that point by starting fresh and being completely open and honest. I have no doubt few if any will believe this. A history of consistently lying about who and what I am does not make me a trustworthy person, and everyone here is justified in assuming that what I say here is also a lie. Were I in the shoes of a third party, I likely would not believe me either. What I have been posting here since December is the truth. I do not expect anyone to believe that, and I can offer no excuse for the lies I told up to that point that probably will make it impossible for anybody to believe what I say now. I would not believe me either. I offer no excuse, and do not ask for anyone to believe me or to trust me. No excuse would be sufficient, and I hope that I’ve harmed nobody but myself. Anyone who has been offended is right and justified in taking offense. If the staff and administration here chooses to ban me, I will accept that this is entirely justified. ---
**Author:** ![smoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@smoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smoke)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/135 "2005-02-25T00:55:54Z")
Yes, and then she turned Asian. Quite normal, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/136 "2005-02-25T00:56:47Z")
Okay, maybe the Pineapple had a point after all. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/137 "2005-02-25T00:59:15Z")
**Kaitlyn** , I suspected it was something like that. IMHO, you’re being very classy about the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/138 "2005-02-25T01:06:57Z")
So…is Mrs. Six a Chinese actress? And why is **Kaitlyn** ’s photo marked “gilda”? It still doesn’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![smoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@smoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smoke)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/139 "2005-02-25T01:09:07Z")
So why exactly were the Pineapples banned? **Kaitlyn** - who knows what the truth is. I lean towards believing you, in which case I’m sorry you’ve had the need to lie for so long (not just here, obviously). I hope you’re able to be at peace now that you’re living as you were meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342/140 "2005-02-25T01:08:21Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > What I have been posting here since December is the truth. Even in the photo thread in February where you posted the picture of the actress as your fiancee? Haj [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/get-your-fucking-facts-right-kaitlyn-priceguy/291342.md?page=8)