# Getting into a Family Dollar in Michigan was worth killing the security guard **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162 "2020-05-05T04:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/1 "2020-05-05T04:12:19Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/flint-family-dollar-security-guard-killed-after-turning-away-customer-without-mask/ar-BB13ALXu?li=BBnbfcL](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/flint-family-dollar-security-guard-killed-after-turning-away-customer-without-mask/ar-BB13ALXu?li=BBnbfcL) So the killers are still at large, but the female shopper is in custody. I wonder how her kid is handling knowing his dad killed someone because his mom was “disrespected” The security guard sounds like he was a good guy, married with NINE kids. Was going into a discount store so important that someone had to die? ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/2 "2020-05-05T04:27:57Z")
Sorry, it’s utterly irrelevant to the O.P. but my judgey mcjudginess comes way the hell out when I read about anyone who’s gone & made nine fucking mouths to feed. This planet is overgoddamncrowded enough as it is. Stop adding to our problems! That said, this was a horrible, pointless death. The guy was just doing his damn job, for which he gets paid peanuts. Half peanuts. Goes without saying that I hope they catch the sumbitch soon. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/3 "2020-05-05T04:29:42Z")
Horrible. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/4 "2020-05-05T04:31:03Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Sorry, it’s utterly irrelevant to the O.P. but my judgey mcjudginess comes way the hell out when I read about anyone who’s gone & made nine fucking mouths to feed. This planet is overgoddamncrowded enough as it is. Stop adding to our problems! For all we know seven of those kids were adopted. Poor man. When I saw someone mention this on Twitter I thought that they were being hypothetical. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/5 "2020-05-05T04:51:02Z")
They caught the killer and he and wife have been charged: > **[Woman, Her Husband and Her Son Charged After a Security Guard Was Allegedly...](https://people.com/crime/woman-husband-son-charged-after-security-guard-allegedly-shot-over-mask-dispute/)** > > Calvin Munerlyn, 43, was shot in the head after he allegedly refused to let Sharmel Teague and her daughter into a dollar store without a mask _Sharmel Lashe Teague, 45, her son Ramonyea Travon Bishop, 23, and her husband Larry Edward Teague, 44, were charged Monday related to the shooting. All three are charged with first-degree premeditated murder and felony firearm, while Larry and Bishop received additional charges related to the shooting._ This can be laid at trumps feet- another needless death he has caused. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/6 "2020-05-05T04:56:37Z")
If God hadn’t wanted Americans to defend their honor, he wouldn’t have given us the Second Amendment. If you libtards had your way, Mr. Teague would have had to kill the disrespectful guard with a knife, or even his bare hands. It’s only from America that we hear frequent stories about heroes like Mr. Teague defending their families. In the effeminate gun-control countries men have been cowed into submission by liberals confiscating guns and putting estrogen in the water supplies. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/7 "2020-05-05T05:25:33Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If God hadn’t wanted Americans to defend their honor, he wouldn’t have given us the Second Amendment. If you libtards had your way, Mr. Teague would have had to kill the disrespectful guard with a knife, or even his bare hands. > > It’s only from America that we hear frequent stories about heroes like Mr. Teague defending their families. In the effeminate gun-control countries men have been cowed into submission by liberals confiscating guns and putting estrogen in the water supplies. This is a whoosh. A tasteless one. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/8 "2020-05-05T05:40:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If God hadn’t wanted Americans to defend their honor, he wouldn’t have given us the Second Amendment. If you libtards had your way, Mr. Teague would have had to kill the disrespectful guard with a knife, or even his bare hands. > > It’s only from America that we hear frequent stories about heroes like Mr. Teague defending their families. In the effeminate gun-control countries men have been cowed into submission by liberals confiscating guns and putting estrogen in the water supplies. > [@Baker](#): > > This is a whoosh. A tasteless one. I think **septimus** is being sarcastic. Hopefully he will confirm this without another attempt at sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/9 "2020-05-05T06:00:54Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > This is a whoosh. A tasteless one. Of course it’s a whoosh. Nothing I write will bring Calvin Munerlyn back to life. I detest America’s imbecilic gun culture, but what shall we do to fight it? Put all the imbeciles on death row? I use sarcasm in an effort to wake up the imbeciles, but … you’re probably right: So many Americans are just hopelessly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/10 "2020-05-05T11:01:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > This can be laid at trumps feet- another needless death he has caused. :dubious: 'Splain? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/11 "2020-05-05T11:14:08Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > :dubious: > > 'Splain? Liberate \, cure is worse than the disease, I’m not going to wear a mask, general disdain for science, it is a hoax, gone in a month, we’ve beaten the virus, time to reopen. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/12 "2020-05-05T11:33:01Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Sorry, it’s utterly irrelevant to the O.P. but my judgey mcjudginess comes way the hell out when I read about anyone who’s gone & made nine fucking mouths to feed. This planet is overgoddamncrowded enough as it is. Stop adding to our problems! > > . This is a reprehensible thing to say. Those nine people are human beings who are no more or less extraneous than any other nine living people. Anyone who thinks that certain other people shouldn’t exist just because of the total number of people there happens to be, should volunteer themselves to stop existing instead of pointing at other people they think shouldn’t exist. So before you think something like this again, stop and count yourself and eight people in your social circle who would step up and put their money where your mouth is. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/13 "2020-05-05T11:36:33Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Liberate \, cure is worse than the disease, I’m not going to wear a mask, general disdain for science, it is a hoax, gone in a month, we’ve beaten the virus, time to reopen. What on earth does that have to do with the dude trying to enter the store and then shooting the guard in the back of the head? Was the shooter a science-hating MAGA protester? I must have missed that part of the article. In a thread about how one guy shot another guy in the back of the head, it only took…four(!) posts to somehow blame Trump. I don’t support Trump in any way, but this is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/14 "2020-05-05T11:52:25Z")
> [@divemaster](#): > > What on earth does that have to do with the dude trying to enter the store and then shooting the guard in the back of the head? Was the shooter a science-hating MAGA protester? I must have missed that part of the article. It’s literally the third sentence of the linked article: Munerlyn, a father of nine, was gunned down after turning a customer away for trying to enter the store **without a mask** , according to authorities. (bolding mine) The people insisting they have a right to go into stores with a mask are the anti-science COVID-19 protesters that Trump is outright supporting. If you don’t support Trump, why jump to the conclusion that a Trump supporter would that we are being unfair to him instead of reading the article? It gets harder to believe the more I see people say they hate him but feel the need to defend him in places where he doesn’t deserve it. And I bet that, if you linked the thread in question, the poster actually made a decent argument for why Trump should be blamed. Trying to paint the anti-Trump side as ridiculous is a favored tactic. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/15 "2020-05-05T12:12:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > This can be laid at trumps feet- another needless death he has caused. > [@BigT](#): > > If you don’t support Trump, why jump to the conclusion that a Trump supporter would that we are being unfair to him instead of reading the article? It gets harder to believe the more I see people say they hate him but feel the need to defend him in places where he doesn’t deserve it. > > And I bet that, if you linked the thread in question, the poster actually made a decent argument for why Trump should be blamed. Trying to paint the anti-Trump side as ridiculous is a favored tactic. Both of these comments are fucking stupid. I’m willing to blame Trump for a whole shitload of the nation’s current problems, but the fact is that sometimes people are just sociopaths. We have no evidence that this guy would have acted any differently in the absence of Trump’s bloviating idiocy. If you’re NOT the sort of person who would shoot a man in the head for enforcing a gubernatorial order (and a store policy) that causes this little inconvenience, then the ramblings of a moronic president are not likely to turn you into one. The fact that he was shot after enforcing a mask policy does not mean that some sort of Trump-inspired opposition to masks was the reason for the shooting. There is no doubt a pretty big intersection between people who listen to Trump and people who don’t wear masks, but there are also undoubtedly people who don’t wear masks just because they’re idiots or selfish or whatever. The stories that delve deeper into his issue note that the key motivation for the shooter seems to have been “disrespect”; the security guard allegedly “disrespected” the woman by telling her she needed to wear a mask. I imagine anyone who would kill a person over this is the type of sociopath whose reaction would have been pretty much the same if the security guard had tried to enforce any other policy, like a policy requiring shoes to be worn in the store, or a policy asking that people not play music without earphones. The responsibility for this death starts and finishes with the people who did the killing. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/16 "2020-05-05T12:33:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > This can be laid at trumps feet- another needless death he has caused. You shouldn’t jump to that conclusion just because “Sharmel Lashe” and “Ramonyea Travon” are typical White Supremacist MAGA names! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/17 "2020-05-05T12:42:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s literally the third sentence of the linked article: > > Munerlyn, a father of nine, was gunned down after turning a customer away for trying to enter the store **without a mask** , according to authorities. > > (bolding mine) The people insisting they have a right to go into stores with a mask are the anti-science COVID-19 protesters that Trump is outright supporting. > > If you don’t support Trump, why jump to the conclusion that a Trump supporter would that we are being unfair to him instead of reading the article? It gets harder to believe the more I see people say they hate him but feel the need to defend him in places where he doesn’t deserve it. > > And I bet that, if you linked the thread in question, the poster actually made a decent argument for why Trump should be blamed. Trying to paint the anti-Trump side as ridiculous is a favored tactic. It’s been a while since anyone’s said this, but shut up, **BigTurd**! This is absolutely sickening. I hope all three are found guilty and spend the rest of their lives in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/18 "2020-05-05T13:03:55Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Sorry, it’s utterly irrelevant to the O.P. You could’ve stopped there and not been such a shithead. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/19 "2020-05-05T13:44:15Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s literally the third sentence of the linked article: > > Munerlyn, a father of nine, was gunned down after turning a customer away for trying to enter the store **without a mask** , according to authorities. > > (bolding mine) The people insisting they have a right to go into stores with a mask are the anti-science COVID-19 protesters that Trump is outright supporting. > > If you don’t support Trump, why jump to the conclusion that a Trump supporter would that we are being unfair to him instead of reading the article? It gets harder to believe the more I see people say they hate him but feel the need to defend him in places where he doesn’t deserve it. > > And I bet that, if you linked the thread in question, the poster actually made a decent argument for why Trump should be blamed. Trying to paint the anti-Trump side as ridiculous is a favored tactic. This makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, you say a lot of dumb stuff on this message board, but you’ve outdone yourself here. I did read the article. That’s how I know that person A (murderer) shot person B (security guard) because he was upset that his lady was turned away. Please point to the part of the article that I missed, where the murderer was espousing “cure is worse than the disease,” “general disdain for science,” “it is a hoax,” “gone in a month,” “we’ve beaten the virus,” “time to reopen.” I’ll give you “I’m not going to wear a mask,” but there’s nothing in the article that even suggests that’s due to Person A (murderer) being a NRA-member, MAGA, tea party activist. That’s YOU making those assumptions and assigning those motives. And it just makes you seem stupid. Or frothing at the mouth or something. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/20 "2020-05-05T14:20:15Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > For all we know seven of those kids were adopted. > > Poor man. When I saw someone mention this on Twitter I thought that they were being hypothetical. ☹ I have an acquaintance with something like 8 or 10 kids. All but two are adopted and all the adopted ones are special needs. But that’s beside the point. I have no idea why the number of kids the victim has is of any relevance. If it’s a way to even sorta kinda justify the murder (because it sounds like they’re suggesting that the victim needed or deserved to be punished for having so many kids) it’s a really disgusting comment. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162.md?page=2)