# Getting into a Family Dollar in Michigan was worth killing the security guard **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162 "2020-05-05T04:12:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/41 "2020-05-05T18:40:11Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > and what is your point? That it is not related to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/42 "2020-05-05T18:46:48Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > :dubious: > > 'Splain? Trump told people to resist and liberate themselves from covid rules. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/43 "2020-05-05T18:55:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m surprised that you would come to this conclusion. You’re usually so measured and thoughtful when it comes to politics. Like X1000. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/44 "2020-05-05T20:58:35Z")
Some more info: > **[Woman arraigned in fatal shooting of Flint security guard over face mask](https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2020/05/woman-arraigned-in-fatal-shooting-of-flint-security-guard-over-face-mask.html)** > > Appearing on a TV screen and clad in a cloth mask, Sharmel L. Teague, 45, of Flint, was arraigned Tuesday, May 5, by Genesee District Judge Nathaniel C. Perry on first-degree murder and felony firearm charges. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/45 "2020-05-06T00:29:06Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > This is an awful tragedy, to be sure. But I feel I can say with certainty that Trump did not enter the picture on this one. > > This is Flint, Michigan, famous for tainted drinking water, famous for poverty and high crime rates. I lived there for a couple of years, I know the territory. > > More than likely the perps are not upstanding citizens known for their charitable good deeds and probity. And what are the chances that the exchange between the guard and the offending lady did not progress in an entirely civil manner? (I’m not in any way blaming the guard, I’m just suggesting that he would have likely felt that taking a tough approach became warranted.) > > So, poor low-life goes to the Dollar store, doesn’t have a mask (because they probably don’t have easy access to them), and gets wound up because they can’t get in (maybe they just got their SNAP card refilled and were going to buy groceries for the family). Being the sort that is accustomed to escalating confrontations, they exchange words with the guard. (Maybe they even knew each other from the community. Maybe they already had opinions about each other.) This gets them even more wound up, so they go home and get their husband and son just as wound up as they are. And the rest, as they say, is history… You sure do figure out a lot about the suspects just from their skin color. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/46 "2020-05-06T00:45:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They caught the killer and he and wife have been charged: > [Woman, Her Husband and Her Son Charged After a Security Guard Was Allegedly Shot Over Mask Dispute](https://people.com/crime/woman-husband-son-charged-after-security-guard-allegedly-shot-over-mask-dispute/) > _Sharmel Lashe Teague, 45, her son Ramonyea Travon Bishop, 23, and her husband Larry Edward Teague, 44, were charged Monday related to the shooting. All three are charged with first-degree premeditated murder and felony firearm, while Larry and Bishop received additional charges related to the shooting._ > > This can be laid at trumps feet- another needless death he has caused. All three of the suspects have been charged, but the two male suspects have not yet been caught as of this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/47 "2020-05-06T00:53:54Z")
[These idiots made the news in Australia.](https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/family-of-three-charged-with-killing-security-guard-over-mask-policy-20200505-p54pzv.html) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/48 "2020-05-06T01:29:30Z")
I really like the look of the mask on the woman at her arraignment. Yeah, I know that she wore a mask to the site and her daughter didn’t, but it should drive home the seriousness of her crime. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/49 "2020-05-06T02:30:02Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You sure do figure out a lot about the suspects just from their skin color. How about from the fact they murdered a security guard in cold blood? That tells me all I want to know. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/50 "2020-05-06T02:42:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > How about from the fact they murdered a security guard in cold blood? That tells me all I want to know. TBF, \*\*Icarus \*\*in his post filled in a lot of other inferred details-not-in-evidence regarding the social dynamic. But it seems like that has become the main thrust of this thread anyway. OTOH the fact that they casually murdered someone for “disrespect” while doing his job, yeah, \*that \*satisfies me to call them criminals and antisocial no matter what their sociocultural/politicoeconomic background. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/51 "2020-05-06T02:51:08Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [These idiots made the news in Australia.](https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/family-of-three-charged-with-killing-security-guard-over-mask-policy-20200505-p54pzv.html) Plenty of American idiots make the news in Australia. Hell, the idiot in the White House is in the papers all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/52 "2020-05-06T15:24:20Z")
> [@mandala](#): > > Don’t understand why the woman Sharmel was charged with murder? She did not pull the trigger. Would not evidence be required to establish she incited her husband to do it? Who knows maybe she actually tried to calm them down? Arrest all involved parties and sort out the charges later. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/53 "2020-05-06T15:29:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You sure do figure out a lot about the suspects just from their skin color. Nope, I would tell the same story about cracker-ass meth-head white trailer trash, if that makes you feel any better. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/54 "2020-05-06T15:36:56Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Mugshots of these typical Trump supporters … here. > [@mikecurtis](#): > > those are driver’s license photos. > > what was yer point, anyway? My guess is that he didn’t know that 8% of African-American voters voted for Trump in 2016. There’s a fair chance that these murderers were NOT Trump supporters, but if **Darren Garrison** is offering 92-8 odds, I know which way I’m betting! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Brother\_1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_brother_1/32/3513_2.png) [@Little\_Brother\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Brother_1)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/55 "2020-05-06T18:57:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **mandala** > Don’t understand why the woman Sharmel was charged with murder? She did not pull the trigger. Would not evidence be required to establish she incited her husband to do it? Who knows maybe she actually tried to calm them down? > [@Chefguy](#): > > Arrest all involved parties and sort out the charges later. It’s been years since I graduated from law school-- er, I mean watching “Law & Order”-- but I had a thought that’s similar to Chefguy’s reply. Rightly or wrongly, prosecutors often go “big” in initial charges, especially in highly-publicized crimes that, to use the legal expression, “shock the conscience”. My sense is that prosecutors (and politicians) assume that a majority of the public “demands” tough, uncompromising prosecution-- so it’s better to open with maximum charges rather than appear to “downplay” the heinous nature of the crime. Once things settle down, the prosecutors can and do revise and downgrade the inflated original charges-- assuming that they actually filed the inflated charges in the first place, and weren’t just disingenuously making public-relations noises about doing so. Also, prosecutors may deliberately overcharge for tactical reasons, e.g. as a feint to obtain leverage when more than one perpetrator is involved. The super-sized hammer hanging over one defendant’s head may persuade the other(s) to cooperate, confess, etc. in exchange for a reduction in the excessive charges. I’m only describing this would-be pragmatic approach, not extolling it. FWIW, one absolutely reprehensible and indefensible variation of this type of overcharging is when prosecutors bluster that they intend to charge a pre-teen or early adolescent child accused of homicide “as an adult”, purely as demagogic pandering to public outrage. ---
**Author:** ![MarvinKitFox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MarvinKitFox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarvinKitFox)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/56 "2020-05-07T06:06:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > You shouldn’t jump to that conclusion just because “Sharmel Lashe” and “Ramonyea Travon” are typical White Supremacist MAGA names! I’m a bit confused… just WHY would you say that an african-american family are “White Supremacist”? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/57 "2020-05-07T10:18:59Z")
> [@MarvinKitFox](#): > > I’m a bit confused… > > just WHY would you say that an african-american family are “White Supremacist”? Your sarcasm detector needs fine-tuning. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/58 "2020-05-07T10:56:07Z")
> [@MarvinKitFox](#): > > I’m a bit confused… > > just WHY would you say that an african-american family are “White Supremacist”? _Whoosh!_ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/59 "2020-05-07T17:09:39Z")
Apparently those shoppers [have started a trend](https://www.yahoo.com/news/3-mcdonalds-workers-hurt-customer-012414176.html): > [@](#): > > **3 McDonald’s workers hurt in customer attack over coronavirus limits, police say** > > Three workers at an Oklahoma City McDonald’s were injured Wednesday by gunfire and a scuffle that appeared to have started because the restaurant’s dining area was closed for social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic, police said. > > Two of three were injured by gunfire and the third was hurt in a scuffle, said Lt. Michelle Henderson of the Oklahoma City Police Department. > > The victims, two females and a male — two of them 17 — were hospitalized and in non-life-threatening condition, she said. Two customers, a man and a woman, were in custody. > > “They were asked to leave, and they refused and produced a gun,” Henderson said. The dining area “was closed because of the virus.” I guess Oklahomans are more comfortable being strapped. This crew did not have to rush home to fetch the weapon like their Michigan counterparts did. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162/60 "2020-05-07T22:30:26Z")
This thread is a perfect example of the echo chamber this place has become, and the snap judgments many of you make about people in general, without knowing the complete picture. A lot of you fuckheads should be the subject of your own pit comments. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-into-a-family-dollar-in-michigan-was-worth-killing-the-security-guard/853162.md?page=4)