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[li]Dr Spock[/li][/QUOTE]
So would Dr. Spock have recommended knocking a kid out to shut them up for awhile? Lord knows it’s tempting sometimes…
(You meant Mr. Spock. Dr. Spock was a real guy.)
There was an episode of “Maximum Exposure” (an “extreme” funniest home video-type show) that showed martial artist Jason Lee (not skater-turned-actor Jason Lee) taking out a guy that was trying to work over his (the guy’s) girlfriend. The guy squares off against Jason. Jason steps to the side and as the guy goes by chops him on the back of the neck. The guy may not have been completely unconscious, but he sure as heck had no idea where or who he was for a few seconds.
:smack:
I blame it on the various blows to the head I have accumulated over the years.
Oh no! I just gave myself another one a moment ago! :smack:
Aaargh! I’ve done it again! (… continues indefinitely…)
His name was Jay Lee, and the video is linked in post #10. I’ve watched that video so many times, and it’s still funny.
Heavens! Days of headaches for Eva’s character would mean drastic script changes! :eek:
From my extensive anectdotal observations it is both quite difficult, and quite easy to knock someone out. I’ve watched lots of amateur boxing, participated in many boxing matches, watched many professional boxers both in person and on TV. It seems with professional boxing, given the strict nature of the sport and the strict rules for what type of blows you can deliver, a true “knockout” is damn difficult. Most KOs in boxing, in fact virtually all KOs in boxing the KOed person is still actually conscious. They are just in bad shape, unable to move correctly, have impaired motor function etc. People that get put in that shape and can somehow get up and avoid the KO almost always lose the match shortly later, because they are in such bad shape they can barely defend themselves after that.
However playing football I’ve seen many people knocked cold out with accidental collision of helmets. I’ve seen players be completely unresponsive but be perfectly fine 30 minutes later in the locker room. I’ve also seen guys get knocked out on the field and have to spend the night in the hospital. One time in HS wrestling practice a guy got slammed to the ground so hard he was out like a light. The coach couldn’t get any response from him. However within 5 minutes he was conscious and very alert, that was the closest to the “holywood” knockout that I’ve seen.
In case anyone’s looking for ideas: If you’ve got to hit someone in the jaw, try not to do it with a bare fist. It’s going to hurt.
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I’ve gotten knocked out once (no idea how, exactly - car accident). I’m not quite sure how long I was out for, nor how long I was incredibly disoriented for, because I was extremely disoriented. (Apparently, one of the effects is it screws with your short-term memory, and so I kept asking the same questions over and over, right after each other). I also got nearly KO’d by a blow to the back of the head: it was entirely accidental when I was sparring in a MA class. Both times, I had an immense headache for at least a day afterwards. My opinion: it’s an experience best avoided.
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Keep in mind that they’re wearing mouthpieces which help.
Yep. Remember that boxing gloves were invented to protect your hands so you could hit harder without hurting them, not to protect the guy you were hitting.
There was a hilarious scene in a low-budget, low-quality action movie “High Risk,” starring James Brolin that comes to mind whenever I see a standard scene where someone knocks out a sentry with a quick blow to the back of the head from a gun butt.
Brolin sneaks up on a Mexican villain’s security guard, delivers the standard blow to the head, but instead of falling unconscious, the guard yells, “OWWWW!” Brolin repeats the blow again and again, and each time, the guard just yells “OWWW!” louder, bringing the attention of all the other guards.
That struck me as a far more realistic reaction!
If you ring someone’s bell, that means you gave them low-grade brain trauma. If you knock them out, you’ve done significantly more damage. Like several people said earlier, you might kill them, and you definitely will have caused some kind of problem. Even minor brain injuries often cause a change in personality, insomnia, mood swings, paranoia, all sorts of fun things. Usually, it goes away, but occasionally the problems are permanent.
A few small brain injuries can add up to a lot more serious of a problem than you’d think. I worked as a clerk for a medical research program that was investigating brain injuries. One of the things they turned up was that repeated brain trauma can have unpredictable effects. Some people are fine with a couple knocks to the head, others can fall into a coma and die.
One case I remember processing was where a soldier spent a couple of hours in observation due to a boxing injury. A few months later, on a training exercise, he bonked his head disembarking from a troop carrier. He was told to sit the exercise out and a corpsman checked him to see if he was okay. He had no visible symptoms of serious head injury and his Glasgow response was normal. Fifteen minutes later, the corpsman came back to check on the guy and he was in respiratory arrest. Resuscitation attempts failed and he died. The autopsy report showed that his brain had swollen due to a closed head injury.
It’s not that often that you’ll have such a dramatic response to relatively minor head injuries like that, but every once in a while, it happens. The research they were doing was attempting to find out why and what factors specifically were involved in the serious cases. One of the recommendations that came out of that was to prohibit kids from “heading” soccer balls; children are more susceptible to complications from brain injury and even relatively minor repeated impacts had a clinically measurable effect on many neurological tests. Football was considered by the researchers to be stupidly dangerous for anyone under 16 because of this.