# Getting Offended on Behalf of Other People (Redskins) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 19, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167 "2016-05-19T15:41:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/221 "2016-05-24T15:23:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > He actually does have exclusive rights. No one is arguing he doesn’t. Those challenging the Redskins trademark are arguing that he shouldn’t have exclusive rights to sell Redskins stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/222 "2016-05-24T16:34:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/223 "2016-05-24T16:39:46Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Really? This is a First Amendment issue to you? > > That is … an odd take. Really. No. The First Amendment is what you might call a key point here, actually: _In re Simon Shiao Tam_, 808 F.3d 1321 (2015). ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/224 "2016-05-24T16:41:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I can’t speak for **DerekMichaels00** , but the minimum percentage is certainly greater than 9%, which is a tiny minority, after all. > > We shouldn’t change the status quo because somebody somewhere _might_ be offended. well said. Maybe we should cancel the Simpsons, since Apu is offensive to (South Asian) Indians, even tho the (South Asian) Indians don’t give a crap. Or South Park, since they’re “offensive” to everyone! Or Family Guy. Get rid of all our popular culture. Yay, no culture! ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/225 "2016-05-24T17:05:32Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > well said. Maybe we should cancel the Simpsons, since Apu is offensive to (South Asian) Indians, even tho the (South Asian) Indians don’t give a crap. Or South Park, since they’re “offensive” to everyone! Or Family Guy. Get rid of all our popular culture. Yay, no culture! If Apu’s name were “Stinky Paki” or something like that, you might have a point. It’s the slur that’s at issue, not just the ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/226 "2016-05-24T17:11:37Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > well said. Maybe we should cancel the Simpsons, since Apu is offensive to (South Asian) Indians, even tho the (South Asian) Indians don’t give a crap. Or South Park, since they’re “offensive” to everyone! Or Family Guy. Get rid of all our popular culture. Yay, no culture! How about we just criticize and challenge folks who profit off using ethnic slurs? Seems reasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/227 "2016-05-24T17:14:08Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > _cough_ That is, for values of 9% that [might actually be as high as 67%](http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf), and for synonyms for your coy term “horrible” that include the more straightforward “racist”. Totally, utterly worthless garbage poll. Badly worded, words chosen to get the result they wanted. “The Redskins team name is a \*\*racial \*\*or racist word and symbol.” 100% of NA can agree it’s “racial” without thinking it’s in any way “horrible”. Notice he gives several other questions, but doesnt bother to EVER give the results for them:_2 The name-symbol Redskins is disrespectful of Native Americans. 3 Professional sports teams should be allowed to use racial terms and names like Redskins_ So, if a NA read the poll correctly, they would answer “Yes” to _The Redskins team name is a racial or racist word and symbol._ But then, they might very well answer **NO** to _2 The name-symbol Redskins is disrespectful of Native Americans._ and \*\*YES \*\*to _3 Professional sports teams should be allowed to use racial terms and names like Redskins_. And this dude, James Fenelon is a professor, paid for by our tax dollars, yet he releases this garbage… while hiding the other answers. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/228 "2016-05-24T17:49:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Totally, utterly worthless garbage poll. Badly worded, words chosen to get the result they wanted. As has been noted several times, the Washington Post is a very liberal newspaper, that has been critical of the Redskins name for a decade or more. If they wanted anything, it would have been for 91% of those polled to be offended, not vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/229 "2016-05-24T17:49:46Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > As has been noted several times, he Washington Post is a very liberal newspaper, that has been critical of the Redskins name for a decade or more. If they wanted anything, it would have been for 91% of those polled to be offended, not vice versa. Exactly. The standard knee-jerk critique of a poll doesn’t work here. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/230 "2016-05-24T18:09:33Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > As has been noted several times, the Washington Post is a very liberal newspaper, that has been critical of the Redskins name for a decade or more. If they wanted anything, it would have been for 91% of those polled to be offended, not vice versa. That’s not a Washington Post poll. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/231 "2016-05-24T18:11:32Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Exactly. The standard knee-jerk critique of a poll doesn’t work here. _That’s not a Washington Post poll._ ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/232 "2016-05-24T18:27:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _That’s not a Washington Post poll._ Well, the Washington Post calls it the “Washington Post Native American poll December 16, 2015-April 12, 2016” They further caveat it noting that “This Washington Post poll was conducted . . Sampling, data collection and tabulating by SSRS.” But, you can call it whatever you’d like in the comfort of your own home I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/233 "2016-05-24T19:00:49Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Well, the Washington Post calls it the “Washington Post Native American poll December 16, 2015-April 12, 2016” > > They further caveat it noting that “This Washington Post poll was conducted . . Sampling, data collection and tabulating by SSRS.” > > But, you can call it whatever you’d like in the comfort of your own home I suppose. Different polls … this poll was conducted by Native Americans [Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies | CSUSB](http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf) it is not the poll done by the Washington Post. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/234 "2016-05-24T19:01:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _That’s not a Washington Post poll._ Yes it is. It was commissioned by the Post. A polling firm likely did the actual work, but the Post paid for it. If the Post had wanted to skew it to get certain results, it could have paid for that too. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/235 "2016-05-24T19:02:38Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Well, the Washington Post calls it the “Washington Post Native American poll December 16, 2015-April 12, 2016” > > They further caveat it noting that “This Washington Post poll was conducted . . Sampling, data collection and tabulating by SSRS.” > > But, you can call it whatever you’d like in the comfort of your own home I suppose. _No, they dont._ Kimstu was referring to this poll: [Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies | CSUSB](http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf) which implys NA do not like “Redskins”. The Washington Post poll is [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/23/poll-shows-native-americans-dont-care-that-much-about-the-name-redskins/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/23/poll-shows-native-americans-dont-care-that-much-about-the-name-redskins/) which says Natives dont really care that much about the team name Redskins. \*\*Why not read the posts? \*\*Two different polls. Two different results. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/236 "2016-05-24T19:03:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _No, they dont._ Kimstu was referring to this poll: > [Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies | CSUSB](http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf) which implys NA do not like “Redskins”. > > The Washington Post poll is > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/23/poll-shows-native-americans-dont-care-that-much-about-the-name-redskins/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/23/poll-shows-native-americans-dont-care-that-much-about-the-name-redskins/) > > which says Natives dont really care that much about the team name Redskins. > > \*\*Why not read the posts? \*\*Two different polls. Two different results. Okay, got it, never mind. Please quote the post you’re responding to in the future. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/237 "2016-05-24T19:03:42Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Yes it is. > > It was commissioned by the Post. A polling firm likely did the actual work, but the Post paid for it. If the Post had wanted to skew it to get certain results, it could have paid for that too. _No_, it wasn’t. Geez, is it too hard to read nowadays? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/238 "2016-05-24T19:05:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _No_, it wasn’t. Geez, is it too hard to read nowadays? When you make a comment in a thread about a poll, without quoting the comment you’re responding to that is about a different poll, then yes, it’s hard to read. Please use the quote button next time, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/239 "2016-05-24T19:05:33Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Okay, got it, never mind. Please quote the post you’re responding to in the future. Gee, like this" Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: San Jose Posts: 28,827 Quote: Originally Posted by\*\* Kimstu\*\* View Post \*_cough_ That is, for values of 9% that might actually be as high as 67%, and for synonyms for your coy term “horrible” that include the more straightforward “racist”. \* Totally, utterly worthless garbage poll. Badly worded, words chosen to get the result they wanted. “The Redskins team name is a racial or racist word and symbol.” 100% of NA can agree it’s “racial” without thinking it’s in any way “horrible”. Notice he gives several other questions, but doesnt bother to EVER give the results for them:2 The name-symbol Redskins is disrespectful of Native Americans. 3 Professional sports teams should be allowed to use racial terms and names like Redskins So, if a NA read the poll correctly, they would answer “Yes” to The Redskins team name is a racial or racist word and symbol. But then, they might very well answer NO to 2 The name-symbol Redskins is disrespectful of Native Americans. and YES to 3 Professional sports teams should be allowed to use racial terms and names like Redskins. And this dude, James Fenelon is a professor, paid for by our tax dollars, yet he releases this garbage… while hiding the other answers." **Please READ the post you’re responding to in the future**.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167/240 "2016-05-24T19:06:40Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > When you make a comment in a thread about a poll, without quoting the comment you’re responding to that is about a different poll, then yes, it’s hard to read. Please use the quote button next time, thanks. I did. Why not read before posting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-offended-on-behalf-of-other-people-redskins/755167.md?page=13)