# Ghislaine Maxwell convicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 29, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879 "2021-12-29T22:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/61 "2022-01-09T22:45:20Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > For example, if a juror had a close family member killed by a drunk driver, it is almost impossible to believe that such a person would be a fair juror in a DUI case. This isn’t such a case. It depends on the juror’s experience and that, we don’t know. Rape doesn’t always happen with seduction and grooming or having a third party involved. The juror’s experience may have been very different. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/62 "2022-01-10T02:30:37Z")
Why don’t jurors in the US just keep their fucking mouths shit after the verdict? Is it the promise of fame/money/TV appearances? ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/63 "2022-01-10T04:27:18Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > keep their fucking mouths shit Most of them wouldn’t say “shit” if they had a mouthful. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/64 "2022-01-10T04:38:27Z")
According to the reports the questionnaire included one question about sexual abuse and a followup on whether that would affect impartiality, and the juror in question claimed they did not remember having answered it. Which to me is more of an impugnation in general of their level of care about what they were answering. However there is precedent that such is not _per se_ invalidating. > [@Gyrate](#): > > For example, addressing another juror asking why victims didn’t come forward earlier by explaining one’s own experience could be germane but not improperly influential. OTOH, “here’s all the horrific stuff that happened to me therefore we should hang Maxwell” is not germane and could improperly skew a jury discussion. I can see that. ISTM explaining why you find testimony believable based on your experience (“when it happened to me, it felt like there was no way for me to stop it, and then it took me years to realize what it all really meant”) _could_ get a pass if you can show that was all. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Why don’t jurors in the US just keep their fucking mouths shit after the verdict? Is it the promise of fame/money/TV appearances? Media know that people want their side of the story to be told, and they will find at least one or two out of any group of 12 who feels the urge. It gives them validation to not be just one of 12 anonymous cogs in the machinery of justice but to make it even a little bit about _them_. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/65 "2022-01-13T17:48:50Z")
Prince Andrew has been dumped by Queen, and stripped of his royal status. It looks like he’ll have to finance his case himself. > **[Prince Andrew loses military roles and use of HRH title](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/13/veterans-ask-queen-to-strip-prince-andrew-of-honorary-military-titles)** > > Queen also strips royal patronages from duke, who will fight US sexual assault lawsuit as private citizen > “With the Queen’s approval and agreement, the Duke of York’s military affiliations and royal patronages have been returned to the Queen. The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen.” > > A royal source said the prince would no longer use the style “His Royal Highness” in any official capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/66 "2022-01-13T18:33:30Z")
Thrown under the (royal) double-decker bus. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/67 "2022-01-13T18:43:09Z")
How much influence did Prince Charles have in convincing the Queen to this action? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/68 "2022-01-13T23:12:25Z")
Anyone else remember the moniker Randy Andy? Back when he was dating actress Koo Stark. She had appeared in some unrated, direct to video films. They weren’t hard core. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/69 "2022-01-14T14:56:35Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > How much influence did Prince Charles have in convincing the Queen to this action? From some articles I’ve seen he had everything to do with it. Other articles say it was both Charles and William who pushed it. Who knows if it will ever be confirmed. [Prince Charles ‘expelled’ Prince Andrew to protect ‘sensitive’ Queen & stop embarrassing case overshadowing reign (the-sun.com)](https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/4462144/prince-charles-expelled-prince-andrew-protect-queen/) [Prince Charles and Prince William Were Behind Prince Andrew’s Royal Expulsion (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prince-charles-and-prince-william-were-behind-prince-andrew-e2-80-99s-royal-expulsion/ar-AASMfJ5?ocid=uxbndlbing) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/70 "2022-01-14T16:55:51Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > From some articles I’ve seen he had everything to do with it. Other articles say it was both Charles and William who pushed it. Who knows if it will ever be confirmed. Well this makes sense. In the olden days, the crown would have just locked him up in the Tower. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/71 "2022-01-14T17:06:12Z")
In the olden days, there would have been zero repercussions for a prince raping a young woman. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/72 "2022-01-14T21:04:26Z")
Truth, and now they are throwing him under the bus before he’s declared guilty. Not that I approve of his behavior, but I also don’t approve of theirs. They are pretending to be shocked by his behavior without acknowledging that they were all raised in the same manner that makes him who he is. Actors, all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/73 "2022-01-14T23:14:28Z")
> [@carnut](#): > > Truth, and now they are throwing him under the bus before he’s declared guilty. Of course, they might know something we don’t. Yet. Plus, Andrew f’d up big time with his _Newsnight_ interview and caused some massive reputation damage. That in combination with the lawsuit will probably do. The crime is to get caught. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/74 "2022-01-15T20:19:00Z")
> [@carnut](#): > > Truth, and now they are throwing him under the bus before he’s declared guilty. Not that I approve of his behavior, but I also don’t approve of theirs. They are pretending to be shocked by his behavior without acknowledging that they were all raised in the same manner that makes him who he is. Actors, all of them. Well, though they all were raised in the same, let’s call it system, or cage, doesn’t mean they all have the same moral standards. I have no great love for the systems of monarchy and nobility, but as a staunch lower-case republican, I can’t approve of kin punishment and condemning the whole family for the wrongs one of them has done. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/75 "2022-01-17T19:45:01Z")
Maxwell is spilling names. I wonder if any have the initials “DT”? We already know they “partied” together. I would be neither shocked nor surprised if it were somehow involved in this morass. Jeez… Like they say, _“It can ALWAYS get worse”_ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/76 "2022-01-17T19:49:10Z")
Story here: [https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/17/us/ghislaine-maxwell-john-does/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/17/us/ghislaine-maxwell-john-does/index.html) > [@](#): > > Giuffre’s attorney had previously filed a brief on Wednesday, arguing for the names to be revealed. > > “After careful review of the detailed objections submitted by Non-Party Does 17, 53, 54, 55, 73, 93 and 151, counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell writes to inform the Court that she does not wish to further address those objections,” Maxwell attorney Laura Menninger wrote. “Each of the listed Does has counsel who have ably asserted their own respective privacy rights. Ms. Maxwell therefore leaves it to this Court to conduct the appropriate review.” > [@](#): > > “[G]eneralized aversion to embarrassment and negativity that may come from being associated with Epstein and Maxwell is not enough to warrant continued sealing of information. This is especially true with respect to this case of great public interest, involving serious allegations of the sex trafficking of minors,” Guiffre attorney Sigrid McCawley wrote. “Now that Maxwell’s criminal trial has come and gone, there is little reason to retain protection over the vast swaths of information about Epstein and Maxwell’s sex-trafficking operation that were originally filed under seal in this case.” > > McCawley said the court has already rejected other similar arguments for anonymity and the same standard should apply to the eight ‘John Does’ who still remain anonymous in court documents. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/77 "2022-01-17T22:40:59Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Maxwell is spilling names. I wonder if any have the initials “DT”? We already know they “partied” together. I would be neither shocked nor surprised if it were somehow involved in this morass. > > Jeez… Like they say, _“It can ALWAYS get worse”_ Guiffrie (aka Roberts) was working at the Mar-a-Lago club and was recruited there by Maxwell. Her dad Sky Roberts worked at the club too. DT may have been near by. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/78 "2022-01-17T23:16:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “Now that Maxwell’s criminal trial has come and gone, there is little reason to retain protection over the vast swaths of information about Epstein and Maxwell’s sex-trafficking operation that were originally filed under seal in this case.” Translation: “These assholes didn’t rig the court case for me, therefore I don’t give a shit about them anymore.” ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/79 "2022-01-18T00:42:29Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Maxwell is spilling names. I wonder if any have the initials “DT”? We already know they “partied” together. I would be neither shocked nor surprised if it were somehow involved in this morass. > > Jeez… Like they say, _“It can ALWAYS get worse”_ Gee I don’t think DT is into underaged girls. But, one might not know. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879/80 "2022-01-18T01:32:58Z")
I think Trump is involved “ It would make for great news for months!” But I highly doubt it. If he was mentioned in the earlier case he would have not last 4 years as POTUS as it would have come out! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted/956879.md?page=5)