# Ghosts (US) Season 4 General Discussion (Spoilers in OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [July 30, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028 "2024-07-30T23:29:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/121 "2025-03-09T15:41:01Z")
Maybe Hetty’s power is what allows someone like Sam to see ghosts (the near-death-experience was a red herring). She has to unconsciously approve of such people because she doesn’t consciously approve of anyone. The only flaw with my theory is that Sam was able to see ghosts when she was away from the house and Hetty. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/122 "2025-03-09T15:44:19Z")
I’m wondering if there’s ever going to be any follow-up to the scene at the end of the episode where Elias Woodstone was trying to get Jay to sell his soul in exchange for a successful business. While Jay declines, he does say that he’ll “think it over”, which leaves the door open to him later accepting if the business starts to decline. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/123 "2025-03-09T18:01:14Z")
Somehow I completely forgot about Jay and Elias. Maybe the great review was a manipulation on Elias’s part to get Jay so enamored of success that he’ll eventually do _anything_ to stay on top. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/124 "2025-03-09T20:20:19Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > Was there ever a cholera epidemic in the Hudson Valley? In New York state huge cholera epidemics in 1830s, 1840s, and 1860s, ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/125 "2025-03-10T00:23:06Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The only flaw with my theory is that Sam was able to see ghosts when she was away from the house and Hetty. Maybe the power is hereditary. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/126 "2025-03-10T00:24:21Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > I’m another who can’t wait to learn what Hetty’s ghost power is. The ability to unwrap the long cord around her neck? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/127 "2025-03-10T02:19:14Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > The ability to unwrap the long cord around her neck? Well if that’s it, she’s been cheated! Also, I think the cord remains and always will, beneath her high collar, ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/128 "2025-03-10T04:06:31Z")
I keep trying to come up with something related to child labor, but I got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/129 "2025-03-10T04:24:18Z")
Thorfinn had to wait 900 years before there was any electricity to use his ghost power on. This might take a while. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/130 "2025-03-10T04:27:32Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > Well if that’s it, she’s been cheated! Well, it’s more useful than _some_ powers we’ve seen. Anyway, who says that every ghost must have a power? ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/131 "2025-03-12T16:06:45Z")
**A Historian Breaks Down The German Ghosts And Speculates About The Australian Ghosts** I found [this video](https://youtu.be/Wvip5rwhEdg?si=tLm7GORqiDupesyP) last night, in which a historian breaks down the differences and the similarities between the British and UK Ghosts, and looks at matters from a historical perspective. And apparently the identities of the German Ghosts have been out there for a few months, we at the SDMB just missed the memo. Her breakdown of the German crew [begins here](https://youtu.be/Wvip5rwhEdg?si=NfGRp0I2vcUtdrd1&t=1883). I thought about spoilering the identities of the German Ghosts, but since the number of Dopers reading this thread who are likely to ever see it can likely be counted on one hand, I figured there’s no need. First the **Livings** , the show follows the British/American model of having a hetero couple, a white woman and the man a Person of Color. Their seven (yes, seven not eight) Ghosts are: **A Neanderthal** Obviously their version of Robin and Thor. The historian notes that he is expressly and unambiguously NOT _H Sapiens_, unlike Robin. **A Roman Legionnaire** That tracks, considering German history. In keeping with the tradition of having the military men be gay and closeted, you can guess where this is going. Although the historian notes that there would be no need for a Roman to hide his homosexuality. Anyway, he may not wind up being gay anyway, we don’t know. **A Burned Witch** obviously a direct equivalent of UK’s Mary (no equivalent in the US version) **An Uptight Lady of the House** their equivalent of UK’s Fanny and US’s Heddy. **A Romantic Poet** a direct equivalent of the UK’s Thomas (no equivalent in the US version). And FWIW, I had no idea that Romantic poetry was important in German history/culture. I’ll be damned. **A Pantsless Guy** the Julian/Trevor equivalent, who in this version is an insurance salesman. OK. **A Teacher With an Arrow Through Her Neck** Obviously milking the trope of the kindly character killed in a freak accident, although in this case she’s neither a Scout nor male. Either there’s no eighth German Ghost, or he didn’t make the promo pictures. I suggest a Visigoth. Put him in the same scene with the Roman and the jokes write themselves. And yes, as everyone suspected and hoped, the Germans are completely skipping their rather _uncomfortable_ time period. For the Australians, the historian was only able to speculate, absent any real information. She suggests a Lady of the Manor from the British Colonial era (that tracks), a Pantsless Guy of some form of employment or other, a Pat/Pete, a First Nations character (whom she speculates would have occupied the time period right before colonization, much like Sessapis in the US), a Ned Kelly-like Bushwhacker (which is what I speculated, too, way earlier in this thread), and a 1980s pop star/soap star who can sing (a la Alberta in the US and Jemima in the UK), apparently owing to Australia’s love of soaps/pop stars, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/132 "2025-03-12T16:18:59Z")
**The Same Historian Knows About The French Ghosts Too** In [this video](https://youtu.be/0WtFBJYGhOc?si=naT6QGTLDRtO8qA1), she breaks down what is known about the French version. At around [3:54](https://youtu.be/0WtFBJYGhOc?si=Iy-raTZnVnY9KaSR&t=234) she reveals a photo that turned up on Reddit, which may or may not be real. If it is real, then the French version is basically an exact copy of the UK version Ghost-for-Ghost, at least for the seven who made the picture. An eighth Ghost, not in the photo, is a Gualish Chieftain (which she explains when she breaks down what’s known about the characters, apart from the photo, which may or may not even be real). The only difference I can suss out is that both of the Livings are White, breaking the tradition of having the Living husband be a man of color. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/133 "2025-03-12T16:59:51Z")
Spoiler from reading this week’s episode description. I believe that we’re going to learn Hetty’s ghost power. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/134 "2025-03-12T17:34:52Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > And FWIW, I had no idea that Romantic poetry was important in German history/culture. I’ll be damned. [Johann Wolfgang von Goethe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe) was kind of a big deal. Actually, it would be kind of funny if the Romantic poet ghost in the German version _was_ Goethe. Though no version of ‘Ghosts’ has ever done that with any other ghost-- they’ve all been famous-adjacent, at best. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/135 "2025-03-12T17:47:50Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > **The Same Historian Knows About The French Ghosts Too** > > In [this video](https://youtu.be/0WtFBJYGhOc?si=naT6QGTLDRtO8qA1), she breaks down what is known about the French version. At around [3:54](https://youtu.be/0WtFBJYGhOc?si=Iy-raTZnVnY9KaSR&t=234) she reveals a photo that turned up on Reddit, which may or may not be real. If it is real, then the French version is basically an exact copy of the UK version Ghost-for-Ghost, at least for the seven who made the picture. An eighth Ghost, not in the photo, is a Gualish Chieftain (which she explains when she breaks down what’s known about the characters, apart from the photo, which may or may not even be real). The only difference I can suss out is that both of the Livings are White, breaking the tradition of having the Living husband be a man of color. I have seen a short clip of the French version recreating the scene in both English language pilots where the main character confronts all the ghosts. Looking it up apparently the French version started streaming a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/136 "2025-03-12T17:52:07Z")
Ok not the exact clip I saw but here is the preview for the French version. They do seem to be very close to the original characters. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cFIV3pw57Do/maxresdefault.jpg "Ghosts : Fantômes en héritage - Bande-annonce officielle | Disney+") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIV3pw57Do) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/137 "2025-03-12T18:50:58Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Looking it up apparently the French version started streaming a month ago. Has it, or does it start April 9th? > **[Ghosts Invade Disney+: Watch the Hilarious New French Series Trailer Now!](https://glassalmanac.com/ghosts-invade-disney-watch-the-hilarious-new-french-series-trailer-now/)** > > In April, Disney+ is set to launch a new French series based on a hit British comedy. If you’re familiar with the British sitcom “Ghosts” that ... Continue Reading → ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/138 "2025-03-12T19:23:27Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > An eighth Ghost, not in the photo, is a Gualish Chieftain from the trailer it looks like the basement ghosts are Gauls, with helmets and hairstyles straight out of Asterix. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/139 "2025-03-12T19:56:44Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Looking it up apparently the French version started streaming a month ago. > > Has it, or does it start April 9th? > > [Ghosts Invade Disney+: Watch the Hilarious New French Series Trailer Now! - Glass Almanac](https://glassalmanac.com/ghosts-invade-disney-watch-the-hilarious-new-french-series-trailer-now/) Yes you are correct ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028/140 "2025-03-12T20:36:29Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > The only difference I can suss out is that both of the Livings are White, breaking the tradition of having the Living husband be a man of color. From the trailer, the actor’s name appears to be Persian. One of the French ghosts is an 18th Century aristocrat. Strange that she’s not the headless one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-4-general-discussion-spoilers-in-op/1005028.md?page=8)