# Ghosts US Season Five spoilers and general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [August 12, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979 "2025-08-12T15:08:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/41 "2025-11-10T15:56:07Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > So my list of Livings Who Can See The Ghosts should have included him. Bela, Abby and Kyle. Nitpick, neither Bela nor Abby can _see_ the ghosts but they are aware of their existence. And to that list, you should of course add Jay. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/42 "2025-11-10T16:02:48Z")
She’s on the road with the band that bought the car. Effectively written off. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/43 "2025-11-10T18:08:05Z")
I meant to title that list: List of Livings who Know Sam Can See the Ghosts. Oops. So Bela, Abby, Kyle and Jay. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/44 "2025-11-10T20:39:48Z")
I still think it would be funny if Trevor possed Jay for one episode ant _that’s_ how Bela finally gets to meet him in the flesh. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/45 "2025-11-12T14:15:45Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > Switching gears: whatever happened to Joan, Sesappis’ girlfriend, by the way? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Huh, good question. I’m not sure. Did she get written off at all? > [@simster](#): > > She’s on the road with the band that bought the car. > > Effectively written off. I could be wrong, but I think @simster is confusing Joan (ghost of 40s Hollywood screenwriter who can roam like Pete) with a car-bound ghost named Jessica, played by [Nichole Sakura](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3783235/?ref_=tt_cst_t_6). Sasappis briefly had a thing with her, so Jay and Sam bought the car, which was owned by (I think) a slacker musician who traveled a lot. But she missed traveling and getting to smell fast food, so Sasappis let her go, and Jay and Sam convinced the slacker musician to take the car back. Joan was the ghost Sasappis lost his virginity to. But then, in a ‘Three’s Company’-worthy scene, Sasappis overheard Joan practicing a speech declaring her love for Sasappis, but Sass thought she meant Pete, and got angry with her. So she left. I don’t remember exactly _how_ she left the property, though. Hard to keep track of the prolific love (after)life of these ghosts! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/46 "2025-11-12T15:22:53Z")
You are correct - I had completely forgotten Joan even existed at this moment. Now I’ll have to go back and rewatch a few S4 episodes to remember. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/47 "2025-11-16T15:32:14Z")
Sub-par episode (I’m referring to S5E5: _T-Daddy,_ aired on 19 November 2025). I did rather enjoy seeing Heddy outside of her normal constraints and normal clothing, talking things over with her juvenile employees. I do like seeing them when they show the Ghosts in vignettes from their pasts, when they were alive or otherwise (I enjoyed the scene where Thorfinn met Sesappis for the first time and spoke to him in perfect Lenape). The show is going to have to deal with the fact that Sam & Jay are borderline destitute, while Trevor is making bank and buying Porsches that he can’t drive, and for which he’s setting up shell companies to own. If he has that much money, he can help out Sam & Jay. Especially since, he’s, you know, dead and can’t really use the money beyond buying lavish gifts for his daughter who doesn’t even know him. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/48 "2025-11-16T16:11:55Z")
It’s more likely that they never mention again that Sam & Jay are broke while Trevor is wealthy. (And I’m wondering how he set up bank accounts without a valid Social Security number.) ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/49 "2025-11-16T16:19:33Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > (And I’m wondering how he set up bank accounts without a valid Social Security number.) I think it came out in a previous episode that he was using Jay’s personal data to work (I think Jay even got roped into pretending he was Trevor in one episode, to keep the charade up). So basically “Jay Arandukar” is earning bank, but Trevor Lefkowitz is setting up shell companies and whatnot so the real Jay Arandukar can’t touch it. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/50 "2025-11-16T16:22:29Z")
On the subject of Trevor’s money, I’d assume that whatever wealth he had when he died in 2000 would have gone to his parents, as it wasn’t known at the time that he had any heirs. But now that it’s come out that he fathered a daughter that Pinkus raised, if Abby is entitled to any of that money, either morally or legally. Does New York law say anything about this type of situation (viz, it turns out that a deceased had a child who wasn’t known about when his estate was settled)? ---
**Author:** ![ricepad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@ricepad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricepad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/51 "2025-11-16T17:40:31Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > The show is going to have to deal with the fact that Sam & Jay are borderline destitute My guess is that their financial struggles will never be a big issue to the point where it drives them off the property or into the poorhouse. Rather, it’ll more likely add context. When lack of money comes up, Trevor will bail them out to keep them afloat. It’s in his best interests to do that, since Sam is the ghosts’ link to the living and if Sam leaves, the ghosts are left in their parallel universe and no way to interact (other than by their limited ghost powers). Jay/Sam may feel uncomfortable taking Trevor’s money, but they will, just to keep the show going, but taking it may cause some tension. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/52 "2025-11-23T14:07:42Z")
“A _ **gay** _ colonizer!” It was cute to see them fighting over whose people were the most oppressed. My money is on Sessappis, followed by Alberta and then Trevor. Not that it’s a contest. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/53 "2025-12-07T02:20:41Z")
Did they fire all the good writers on Ghosts this season? I mean, this last one was pure cheap sitcom cringe- except the B story. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/54 "2025-12-07T21:21:29Z")
Ever since Rose had her baby, Sam has been written weird. I don’t know if Rose had had lingering post-partum issues or was/is pregnant again or if some gross exec at CBS sent down a creepy directive, but she’s almost always sitting or behind something. And I think she looks fine. But her not moving around a lot kind of gives the show a slow feel? People make fun of it but Sorkin’s Walk And Talks really did give shows some energy. Every episode is Sam sitting at the kitchen table and the ghosts standing around talking to her while Jay is oblivious and not caring. I still think it’s funny but there’s a physical chaos that’s missing. Also, Bela wtf? I’m starting to really hate her because of her insensitivity. It was nice to have Sass use his ghost power more, though ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/55 "2025-12-08T00:33:07Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > It was nice to have Sass use his ghost power more, though Yeah, that was nice. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/56 "2026-03-01T14:45:36Z")
_Ghosts_ returns to CBS after a lengthy absence due to the Christmas holiday followed by the Winter Olympics. And after such a long wait we got … kind of a dud episode. When Patience spoke of The Others, I expected more dour Puritans, not Flower’s former cult. Flower exposing the cult leader as a fraud was kind of cool, but the rest of the episode was kind of “meh.” Also, Woodstone must be the most haunted place in all of the world. It boasts eight main Ghosts, three quasi-regulars (including a teen girl who was murdered there and then everybody forgot about the murder, to the point that the new owners of the house didn’t say to themselves “oh, this is the house where that teen girl was murdered in the 80s!”; a motorcyclist who lost his head on the property; and a former owner who comes and goes from Hell), about a dozen cholera victims, about a dozen cult members who died in a bunker on the property, and maybe another few that I’m missing. At least 30 ghosts on a single Hudson Valley mansion property; I reckon that’s more than even the [House of the Rising Sun/Hotel Villa Convento](https://usghostadventures.com/haunted-cities/new-orleans-most-haunted/the-very-haunted-villa-convento/) in New Orleans in terms of ghosts per square foot. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/57 "2026-03-01T15:07:18Z")
I really felt sorry for Jay this episode. The man is a saint! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/58 "2026-03-01T15:14:38Z")
Old Mental Hospitals and Hospitals in general have a reputation for having a lot of haunts. Places where huge numbers of people died are great candidates for Ghosts. Additionally and along the same lines, prisons often fall high on the list. But for a private estate, one would hope that Woodstone is the highest by a good amount. none of the above is based on science and just anecdotal accounts that do not equal facts in any way. There is no proof of Ghosts to start with. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/59 "2026-03-01T15:18:18Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Additionally and along the same lines, prisons often fall high on the list. Yup, down the road from me is (purportedly) one of the [most haunted prisons in America](https://missouripentours.com/ghost-paranormal-tours/). (No, _I_ don’t believe in ghosts, either) ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2026, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979/60 "2026-03-01T22:35:46Z")
I found it so weird all (most?) of the cult became ghosts. Or does everyone who dies on property become a ghost? In the UK version, the Lady Button immediately ascended and it was her death that sent Allison to live there. Has anyone died on the US property and not been a ghost? If it’s kind of random, the whole cult seems a bit much. But if it’s everyone on property… yikes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ghosts-us-season-five-spoilers-and-general-discussion/1021979.md?page=4)