# Giggle Gaggle, you've got moxie! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665 "2003-08-30T17:48:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/61 "2003-09-01T16:41:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pokey \* > \*\*I wonder when **Giggle Gaggle** is going to jump in and accuse everyone of argumentum ad somethingum. \*\* Funny you should ask… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > **IAre you actually threatening me through Argumentum ad Baculum into agreeing with the general sentiment on the board, or else?** ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/62 "2003-09-01T17:40:17Z")
> [@](#): > > - > > Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle\* > \*\*Men will not turn down a sure shot at sex. > \*\* Doesn’t this directly contradict his argument in the virgins thread in which he’s claiming that men should turn down sure shots at sex if the woman is non-virginal? I’m so confused. Julie ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/63 "2003-09-01T19:14:45Z")
Wow. I bet all this attention will run him off. Do you think what he says is _really_ how he feels? Some of the people in this thread have been here for years. How can you not know any better by now? ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/64 "2003-09-01T19:34:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daisy Mae \* > \*\*Just to offer a medical opinion, it sounds as though he’s suffering from a physical disorder. Often men who suffer from this physical problem lash out at women and attempt to humiliate and degrade them. > > Dinky wang syndrome. This may explain the giggle in his gaggle. > > The next time I see a pop up (no pun intended) regarding penis enlargement, I’ll get the pertinent information and pass it along for him. \*\* Hey, what the fuck happened to protecting the fragile male ego when it come to that sort of stuff. This thread is really begining to make me anxious. ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/65 "2003-09-01T19:58:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \* > \*\*There are multiple things going on here. I will summarize. > > Men prefer virgins. Any large enough population exhibits a certain amount of variance – in this case, in how strongly men prefer virgins over non-virgins. A certain amount of variance is to be expected and tolerated. In addition to this, certain factors may overpower this preference, as in the case of freely offered, no-strings-attached sex – a rare opportunity for men who usually have to expend time, energy, and/or money securing sex. > > A man will respond to sex on the basis of how much he is attracted to the woman (which includes her physical characteristics, what he knows about her sexual history, about her medical history, and to a lesser extent her social standing as well as other similar factors), how easy it would be for him to fuck her, what sorts of resources he is expected to expend (including time, effort, money, and the like) and what risks he might face should he fuck her. It’s a multivariable equation. If you make it very easy and risk-free for a man, he is very likely to respond. > > Of couse, under average circumstances, it is never easy or risk-free for a man to fuck a woman, so the other factors assert themselves more strongly. \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by look!ninjas_ > \*\* > Does anyone else here think this guy sounds like a sexually frustrated, celibate loser?\*\* Yes, yes I do. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/66 "2003-09-01T20:07:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle_ > You’ll have the few perverts who are attracted to pregnant women. Man… I’m real glad to know that any guy who would be attracted to me at this time is a pervert. Must mean my last boyfriend was a pervert and I should be glad he lost interest. Considering all of what he’s said as well it must mean I should also stay single until such a time as I can once again be of use to a male by being receptive to his ‘seed.’ :rolleyes: Or perhaps I’m just deemed unfit as I am no longer a virgin. I’d get all pissy and blast him but I’m half asleep and just having read a bunch of his stuff I really don’t feel the need to get worked up by this fool. It’s not worth the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Infectious\_Lass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e56c9b/32.png) [@Infectious\_Lass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infectious_Lass)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/67 "2003-09-01T20:11:23Z")
_Sigh_ And Lezlers, true to form comes up with the tried and true cliche that everyone who lives with their parents are EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL. Lez, this guy is a jerk k? Wether or not he lives with his mum and dad or not doesn’t come into it. I’m tired of this 'ooooo if you live with mummy and daddy that means you’re not a proper human being and that is why you are creepy/psychotic/a serial killer/look at me funny 'cos I spilled his pint etc. blah blah. The ‘you are a lesser form of life because you live with your parents’ thing is OLD! This guy would be an idiot mysoginist whoever he lived with. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/68 "2003-09-01T20:19:57Z")
I don’t see a big deal with any of the stuff quoted in the OP. I don’t care for his characterizing the message board so broadly as geeks and losers, and I guess that’s **Biggirl** ’s main complaint also. As for his remarks on men and women…well, there’s alot of truth there. In most situations, women _do_ control the scarcity of the resource when it comes to the sex act, because men demand the resource with greater frequency than it is offered as available. On his other point, men and women think so differently that even the most straight-forward, honest, non-manipulative woman in the world might be seen as playing “mind games” from time to time from the male perspective. Myself, I prefer straight honesty and directness in my relations with others and don’t feel like compromising that, but I’ve heard most guys talk at least once and awhile about having to drop that attitude out of necessity when dealing with women. Maybe it’s more polite to keep that attitude in the context of guy-talk, but I don’t fault this guy for being open about his opinions (presuming of course that they _are_ his opinions, and not trolling.) And it’s certainly true that, on the balance, internet dating sites (much like their predecessors, the Lonely Hearts Clubs) tend to attract the socially inept. “Sexually frustrated” and “celibate losers” might be an extremely cynical way to view it, and somewhat harsh, but it’s basically the opinion I hear most often about those services. Even the people I know who have used such services often seem embarassed to have done so. He went over the top with his remark about treating people as “dogs”. But even though his opinions about men and women are somewhat extreme, from a cynical point of view there is a nugget of truth there. And, IMHO, a cynical viewpoint is very defensible. If you ask around, you’ll find alot more stories of disaster and failure in male-female relationships then you will find success stories. There’s no shortage of men and women you meet every day whose lives were derailed or even destroyed by trusting the other. When the WW2 generation finally starts dying off, prepare to see that oft-quoted “50% of marriages end in divorce” skyrocket to new heights. There is a “power” component of interpersonal relationships that doesn’t go away simply because we _wish_ our relationships to be more egalitarian. Speaking frankly about it may be unusual these days, but I don’t see how anyone could expect to improve their situations and accomplish their goals by denying reality and just wishing things to be better. You have to confront reality and manipulate it to serve your ends. If someone has a flawed notion of reality, it will only be repaired through experience. You can’t alter a person’s perception of reality by fiat. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/69 "2003-09-01T20:52:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Infectious Lass \* > \*\*_Sigh_ > > And Lezlers, true to form comes up with the tried and true cliche that everyone who lives with their parents are EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL. > > Lez, this guy is a jerk k? Wether or not he lives with his mum and dad or not doesn’t come into it. > > I’m tired of this 'ooooo if you live with mummy and daddy that means you’re not a proper human being and that is why you are creepy/psychotic/a serial killer/look at me funny 'cos I spilled his pint etc. blah blah. > > The ‘you are a lesser form of life because you live with your parents’ thing is OLD! > > This guy would be an idiot mysoginist whoever he lived with. > > :rolleyes: \*\* _sigh_ yourself. Calm down, **Lass** , I wasn’t capping on everyone who lives with their parents, I was attempting to paint a little picture of the beloved **Giggle**. Moreso trying to establish him as a younger male… What’s with the hyper (and very much off topic) sensitivity? Do you live at home? If you do, maybe you should move out, as you seem rather insecure about it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/70 "2003-09-01T21:13:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > As for his remarks on men and women…well, there’s alot of truth there. In most situations, women _do_ control the scarcity of the resource when it comes to the sex act, because men demand the resource with greater frequency than it is offered as available. Actually, what I understood from **Giggle’s** thesis is that it is MEN who control the _resource_ (oh, what a charming term that is) by dictating which ‘goods’ are deemed acceptable for trade…in other words, there’s plenty of sex out there, but men control the level of scarcity by picking only virgins. > [@](#): > > On his other point, men and women think so differently that even the most straight-forward, honest, non-manipulative woman in the world might be seen as playing “mind games” from time to time from the male perspective. In my extensive experience, men are just as good at game playing as the most skilled of women. It’s a _human_ thing, not a gender thing. > [@](#): > > And it’s certainly true that, on the balance, internet dating sites (much like their predecessors, the Lonely Hearts Clubs) tend to attract the socially inept. “Sexually frustrated” and “celibate losers” might be an extremely cynical way to view it, and somewhat harsh, but it’s basically the opinion I hear most often about those services. Even the people I know who have used such services often seem embarassed to have done so. Well, you need to define what you mean by ‘socially inept’ here. I imagine that people who use dating services might need GREATER social skills to negotiate the dating path than those who use more conventional means (like picking up in a bar or being introduced by friends of friends etc). Being socially limited, either by choice or circumstance, does not equate with being a loser you know. > [@](#): > > If you ask around, you’ll find alot more stories of disaster and failure in male-female relationships then you will find success stories. There’s no shortage of men and women you meet every day whose lives were derailed or even destroyed by trusting the other. When the WW2 generation finally starts dying off, prepare to see that oft-quoted “50% of marriages end in divorce” skyrocket to new heights. > > There is a “power” component of interpersonal relationships that doesn’t go away simply because we _wish_ our relationships to be more egalitarian. Speaking frankly about it may be unusual these days, but I don’t see how anyone could expect to improve their situations and accomplish their goals by denying reality and just wishing things to be better. You have to confront reality and manipulate it to serve your ends. If someone has a flawed notion of reality, it will only be repaired through experience. You can’t alter a person’s perception of reality by fiat. What on earth does THIS passage have to do with the argument at hand **Rex**? What is this ‘reality’ of which you speak? Care to fill us in? ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/71 "2003-09-01T21:28:07Z")
He’s **still** going at it in [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3923075#post3923075)… the rate at which he keeps churning out psuedo-intellectual doublespeak is fast approaching **lekatt** proportions. Hmmm… a **lekatt** of misogynism, this is gonna get ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Bugnorton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bugnorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugnorton)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/72 "2003-09-01T21:42:40Z")
Double, triple, all sorts of multi-speak and five pages and this joker has yet to produce one single iota of back-up for any of his colorful claims. I’m really kinda suprised he’s still hungry after all this. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/73 "2003-09-01T22:10:35Z")
You all _do_ realize that **Giggle Gaggle** is our old friend who has been banned as **transitionality** , **Lucid Dreamer** and **apricot syrup** , right? There were some superb gems under each of those names as well. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/74 "2003-09-01T22:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AvhHines \* > \*\*You all _do_ realize that **Giggle Gaggle** is our old friend who has been banned as **transitionality** , **Lucid Dreamer** and **apricot syrup** , right? There were some superb gems under each of those names as well. \*\* That’s a mighty bold accusation there **AvhHines**. Be careful, and if you think there is something awry, contact the mods rather than making such a public announcement. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/75 "2003-09-01T22:19:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AvhHines \* > \*\*You all _do_ realize that **Giggle Gaggle** is our old friend who has been banned as **transitionality** , **Lucid Dreamer** and **apricot syrup** , right? There were some superb gems under each of those names as well. \*\* Whether or not any one realizes this to be true, it is bad, bad form to call another poster a sock. You should e-mail your suspicions to a mod. Hey **Rex** , you loser geek nerd-- nice to see ya! I can call you that since you don’t think it’s such a big deal, right? Like I said earlier there are plenty of losers such as yourself with what I consider stupid ideas about male/female relationships-- so defend away you geeky nerd, you. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/76 "2003-09-01T22:22:56Z")
Sorry, I wasn’t aware of that bit of netiquette. ---
**Author:** ![JavaMaven1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@JavaMaven1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JavaMaven1)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/77 "2003-09-01T22:36:44Z")
Oh my–\*\*Giggle Gaggle \*\* dropped off a double in this thread: [Do _any_ females not find asian males distasteful?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=208566) > [@](#): > > Women will not in general date diminutive, shy, socially awkward men with below-average penis size. > > Any of the above factors alone is a deal sourer. Many of them in combination is a deal breaker. Niiiiiiiiiiiice. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/78 "2003-09-01T22:37:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry, I wasn’t aware of that bit of netiquette. Not netiquette. Specific board rule. Live and learn. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/79 "2003-09-01T22:43:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bugnorton \* > \*\*Double, triple, all sorts of multi-speak and five pages and this joker has yet to produce one single iota of back-up for any of his colorful claims. I’m really kinda suprised he’s still hungry after all this. \*\* Yes, and his refusal to provide any links to back up his claims is the reason I’ve pretty much given up on that thread. Let others with greater perseverance than I keep trying. It’s like debating with a boulder. ---
**Author:** ![Rabid\_Squirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Rabid\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rabid_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665/80 "2003-09-01T23:07:43Z")
With such a wonderful understanding of woman in the \*“Do any females not find asian males distasteful?” \* thread, how could he go wrong? :rolleyes: After the recent run of sweeping generalisations and general jock/arsehole statements, why hasn’t he been banned? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giggle-gaggle-youve-got-moxie/198665.md?page=5)