# Gina Carano is ignorant AF, but cancel culture is really getting ridiculous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 11, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694 "2021-02-11T14:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/61 "2021-02-11T15:49:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That post is tamer than I thought it would be. But it needs to be viewed in light of her previous comments and (presumably) her warning status with her employer. The two recent posts are an indication of what Disney could expect if they kept working with her. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/62 "2021-02-11T15:52:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Then why did you do it? Do you like squeezing your nuts in a vice? It feels good when you stop. > [@asahi](#): > > But I’m sorry, there’s a difference between someone being unintentionally offensive through their own ignorance, and someone going out of their way to be an insensitive ass. I see her checking the box in the first category, not so much in the second. > [@asahi](#): > > Firing someone is a form of human shunning. I don’t believe in shunning people who aren’t going out of their way to be distasteful. Complaining about treatment that conservatives get in the media is ignorant but not antisocial behavior. Comparing the media treatment of pandemic-denying conservatives—a group of people who are collectively okay with shaming, shunning, physically attacking, and occasionally running down those who don’t agree with them—to how the Nazi regime treated Jews (and Roma, Slavs, homosexuals, “defectives”, et cetera), e.g. by rounding them up into “concentration camps” and executing over 18 million non-combatants in a deliberate campaign of genocide and ‘liquidation’ to the condemnation of conservatives for rejecting science, fact, and actual compassion (as opposed to “Conservative Compassion” which is about as Orwellian NewThink as it comes) is pretty much the apex of deliberately hyperbolic and hypocritical offensiveness. If you are going to compare some group to Nazis in a public way, it should be because they are advocating for rounding people up and having them executed. > [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Perhaps the OP is upset because Cara Dune is a really cool character and will be difficult to re-cast. I can see that POV, but I still think she should have been let go. Why these people can’t figure out not to tweet is beyond me. Is the character really that cool or difficult to replace? She’s kind of a generic NPC ally who is good at punching stuff, and doesn’t have any particular ties to the main storyline. You could swap in any other generic good-at-punching figure without missing anything plotwise. Given that the entire show appears to be Jon Favreau’s _Star Wars: Edge of the Empire_ RPG campaign put to film, I’m sure he can roll up another character in time for the next series. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/63 "2021-02-11T15:54:00Z")
She apparently thinks wearing masks isn’t a big deal and that the election was rigged – wrong on both accounts, but these are fairly mainstream conservative opinions. Are we going to fire people for being conservative now, just because in some cases, we can? We’re just feeding the martyr complex. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/64 "2021-02-11T15:54:15Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > But it needs to be viewed in light of her previous comments and (presumably) her warning status with her employer. I have no doubt Disney went through a systematic process. They aren’t stupid. They covered all the bases. I remain convinced similarly “offensive” comments made in the past wouldn’t have cost an actor a gig. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/65 "2021-02-11T15:54:32Z")
I’d posit that it’s only the hullaboo that you really object to. Let’s say Gina Carano wasn’t on S3 of The Mandolorian, and nobody said anything about it. Then a few years later you read some article on page 12 of Variety where someone says “Oh yeah, Gina Carano said some dumb shit about Jews a few years ago and Disney didn’t renew her contract because of it.” What would your reaction be? Probably a big ol’ meh. Just like if Jim from accounting got let go for making an off-color comment in the break room. I think the difference is that this is so _public_, and people are so _outraged_, it all feels like way too much. Boring inner workings of Disney contracts shouldn’t really be America’s entertainment for the day, and I think that might be what has you feeling uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/66 "2021-02-11T15:56:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Are we going to fire people for being conservative now, just because in some cases, we can? She was fired for being offensive and stupid. That’s not really being conservative or Republican, however the Venn diagrams happen to overlap a lot these days. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/67 "2021-02-11T15:58:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She apparently thinks wearing masks isn’t a big deal and that the election was rigged – wrong on both accounts, but these are fairly mainstream conservative opinions. Are we going to fire people for being conservative now, just because in some cases, we can? People aren’t being fired for being “conservative”; they’re being fired for actively spreading harmful disinformation. The former is about what people _are_; the latter about what they _do_. And if the Venn diagram of the two groups substantially overlaps, maybe that’s something the conservatives ought to be doing something about themselves rather than whining about persecution. ETA; Aw snap… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/68 "2021-02-11T15:58:34Z")
If you all really wanted to punish Carano, why not just set up a match between her and Cyborg Justino Venancio? Now _that’s_ punishment! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/69 "2021-02-11T16:13:12Z")
I think one of the things that’s sticking with me, @asahi , is where do you draw those two lines ? - What sort of action/speech on the part of what sort of employee (or putative representative of a business) crosses the line between appropriate and inappropriate, and - What sort of consequence do you think is reasonable when that line is crossed ? Maybe it’s also helpful to discuss whether your view is different if there is a contract with a [**clause**](https://www.foxrothschild.com/publications/tips-for-protecting-your-company-before-a-scandal-strikes/#:~:text=A%20traditional%20%E2%80%9Cmorals%20clause%E2%80%9D%20is,may%20negatively%20impact%20the%20company.) that specifically addresses “potentially damaging to the brand” (or equivalent), and/or if it’s a serial offender who has/hasn’t been counseled about the behavior. It feels like your argument in this case isn’t particularly nuanced. I think there are lots of potential cases and each needs to be understood on its own particulars. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/70 "2021-02-11T16:13:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She apparently thinks wearing masks isn’t a big deal and that the election was rigged – wrong on both accounts, but these are fairly mainstream conservative opinions. Are we going to fire people for being conservative now, just because in some cases, we can? We’re just feeding the martyr complex. I think the word “we” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in those last few sentences. “We” didn’t fire her. “We” didn’t fire anyone. The multinational Disney conglomerate, which employs more people to manage its brand than my company has employees in total, has decided that association with Gina Carano hurts their bottom line more than it helps. The very second that I, or you, or anyone posting to this thread or living in the world becomes a net negative in profits for the people who write our checks, those people will stop writing us checks. I’m not sure what, really, is being pitted here. Capitalism? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/71 "2021-02-11T16:19:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She apparently thinks wearing masks isn’t a big deal and that the election was rigged – wrong on both accounts, but these are fairly mainstream conservative opinions. That “these are fairly mainstream conservative opinions” is indicative of a major problem that demands scrutiny and criticism. This isn’t a matter of a difference of opinion; it is a denial of verifiable fact. I have zero problem with “cancelling” someone who walks around promulgating transparent falsehoods, especially those that have substantive harms resulting from them. As for the “martyr complex”, that is an identifiable characteristic of the modern “Conservative” movement. These are people who have no problem shouting loudly about how celebrities like George Clooney, Cameron Diaz, Matt Damon, et cetera shouldn’t use their platform as an entertainer to express political views, but then whine and snap like a particularly soiled Chihuahua when someone expressing their preferred views is publicly critiqued. Where were all these people when the Dixie Chicks were “cancelled” for protesting the invasion of Iraq? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/72 "2021-02-11T16:20:03Z")
Good for you for posting this. It is getting ridiculous; whatever happened to agreeing to disagree and letting people learn from their mistakes? Nowadays it’s one wrong tweet and the social media crowd want to throw the whole person away. Also in today’s cancel culture news: a Guardian journalist who previously denied the existence of cancel culture was fired for a tweet criticising Israel. Ironic. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/73 "2021-02-11T16:20:28Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > These are people who have no problem shouting loudly about how celebrities like George Clooney, Cameron Diaz, Matt Damon, et cetera shouldn’t use their platform as an entertainer to express political views, but then whine and snap like a particularly soiled Chihuahua when someone expressing their preferred views is publicly critiqued. Where were all these people when the Dixie Chicks were “cancelled” for protesting the invasion of Iraq? Or Colin Kaepernick. “You’re an entertainer, shut up and play.” ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/74 "2021-02-11T16:22:00Z")
It’s a shame, I liked her character. But as long as Disney warned her sufficiently I don’t have a problem with her being fired. But if they didn’t say “quit posting controversial stuff or we will no longer be employing you” and just fired her because she has some stupid views, can’t shut up about them, and people on the internet want to dispense their armchair justice, that would be unfortunate. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/75 "2021-02-11T16:22:21Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Nowadays it’s one wrong tweet and the social media crowd want to throw the whole person away. Again, it was _ **not** _ just a single tweet in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/76 "2021-02-11T16:28:48Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Or Colin Kaepernick. “You’re an entertainer, shut up and play.” The Colin Kaepernick kneeling outrage is a whole ‘nother level of hypocritical horseshit. There is apparently no problem using sporting events of all kinds as promotional platforms for military recruitment and jingoistic patriotism, but how dare a player make a silent, token act in demonstration of a prevalent social issue. I think Conservatism as a whole had a collective figurative stroke over the “issue”, which had the benefit of pushing it to the forefront of news and opinionating rather letting it disappear as a brief aside between announcers. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/77 "2021-02-11T16:33:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > People sometimes make dumb remarks; whether they are public or mostly private figures, I don’t think people should be fired for simply being ignorant. I agree that companies have the power and discretion to do so if they desire, but having the prerogative to terminate someone doesn’t justify doing so. I think people should be given chances to learn from their mistakes. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > A headline entertainer is the public face of your business. If they’re shitting on your brand then they have to go. So. One - NOT an anti-Semitic comment. Two - YES an OFFENSIVE comment. Offensive in its dumb as fuck stupidity, and offensive that someone solidly of the group appealing to anti-Semites, racists, anti-immigrants, transphobics, and much more, is whining that people are calling them out, portraying that as similar to the Nazi propaganda machine against Jews in the '30s. Three - I actually have some begrudging respect for someone who expresses a position they believe in knowing that it may cost them dearly, such as their career. I respect that when it for a position I agree with, such as Kaepernick’s taking his knee, and I respect it when the position is a horrific one, like this idiot’s. Overall I have very little respect for Carano, as what she believes in is so horrible, but this little bit? Yes. I do not think that even she is so dumb as to not realize that after the firestorm she was facing over her past tweets that this one might be the one that had her bosses say buhbye. Fourth - HMS has it exactly right. She is not an accountant; _she is the product_. The public’s take on her is part of what is getting sold. She’ll now be able to sell very well to 30 to 35% of Americans, but Disney doesn’t want something on their shelf that repels 50 to 55% of their consumers, especially since that 50 to 55% includes more of their most desired demographics. Controversial “bad” boys and girls can sell well, but it is not the Disney brand. You do that after you _stop_ being Hannah Montana. (IMHO the character is no great loss from the franchise.) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/78 "2021-02-11T16:34:19Z")
I think this is my bottom line. Look, if Carano had posted something along the lines of ‘the Holocaust was a Jewish hoax’…okay, yes, absolutely, fire her ass. We need to have some built in level of tolerance for occasionally controversial views. I am increasingly seeing none, and I haven’t changed my worldview one iota: I am still hyper-progressive and have strong attitudes toward modern “conservatism.” But my worldview also has some space for right wing shit that I don’t agree with, even some things I find downright kooky. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/79 "2021-02-11T16:36:45Z")
I don’t doubt that Disney _can_ fire her – they had legal recourse to do so, and they did. That’s not debatable. Can, and should are different things, though. I don’t know if they absolutely had to fire her. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694/80 "2021-02-11T16:37:54Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > as long as Disney warned her sufficiently I don’t have a problem with her being fired. There has been a big movement for a while to get her dumped based on her long track record of social media statements that do not appeal to target demographics. Anyone with two neurons that are on speaking terms with each other would know their ice is thin without an explicit warning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gina-carano-is-ignorant-af-but-cancel-culture-is-really-getting-ridiculous/932694.md?page=5)