# Girl didn't want her goat slaughtered; officials sent deputies after it **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 1, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992 "2023-04-01T15:54:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/81 "2023-04-02T17:29:52Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I still relish the memory. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/82 "2023-04-02T17:30:18Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Don’t know about most, but I know it’s not all Sometimes they label the frozen meat with the animal’s name: “We’re having sone steaks from Gary for dinner tonight? Great, he’s delicious!” > Actually, Gary was kind of stringy. I have a friend whose family raised their own bed cattle. Yeah, they labeled their beef with the name of the animal it was from. He said he could taste the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/83 "2023-04-02T17:42:23Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > pickling cucumbers > … > I still relish the memory. Did you do that deliberately? Back on topic, things might have been different Back In The Day, when nearly everyone needed to be involved in food production, and so it was essential to ingrain children with the proper mindset to be able to raise animals for slaughter. Nowadays, though, only a tiny fraction of the population needs to be farmers. This girl developed an emotional connection with the animal that she was supposed to be preparing for slaughter… OK, so maybe that means she’s unsuited to be a farmer. And so she doesn’t become a farmer, and that’s no problem, because we’ll have all the farmers we need, with or without her. Let her (or more accurately, her mom) pay for the goat, keep the girl from getting involved in any more 4H activities, because that’s clearly not for her, and move on. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/84 "2023-04-02T17:48:17Z")
She could be a vegetable farmer, or a wool farmer, even. She might even be able to farm chickens or rabbits for meat. I see no good at all in killing her pet goat. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/85 "2023-04-02T18:05:09Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I recommend, to ease your mind on this score, that you go talk to some actual 4-H people, adults and children, maybe go watch them interacting with the animals, and see what you think from actual experience with the program. It seems to me that you are basing your horror of the situation on stuff in your head rather than what happens in the real world. How does the experience of other people apply to the girl in question? Is she not living in the real world? The horror of the situation is the inflexibility of the adults in charge. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/86 "2023-04-02T19:34:43Z")
> **[r/funny - Inside photo of the goat seizure](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1298e5p/inside_photo_of_the_goat_seizure/)** > > 516 votes and 101 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/87 "2023-04-02T19:51:14Z")
Nevermind. It was covered. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > I have a friend whose family raised their own bed cattle. Yeah, they labeled their beef with the name of the animal it was from. He said he could taste the difference. **DesertWife** said she had an uncle that raised cows and that she’d had more than one named after her. I innocently thought they were dairy cows so they’d have at least a few years on this mortal coil but she said no, they were Black Angus. “But them’s _eatin’_ cows!” “They sure were.” I don’t know if she got any packages with her name on it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/88 "2023-04-02T19:57:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Did you do that deliberately? I couldn’t not have done it even if I wanted to. Does that count as deliberately? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/89 "2023-04-02T20:00:23Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I have friends who had positive experiences with 4H, including selling their animals for slaughter. That doesn’t make this case any less horrible. > [@Magiver](#): > > How does the experience of other people apply to the girl in question? The post I was responding to was about the general practices of 4-H fostering food animals, and so was my post. I agree that this case was a clusterfuck. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I get the impression that this girl was not “4-H people”, that this was a new experience for her and she didn’t realize that she should not have made an emotional connection with the animal. Probably correct. So does that make it a general 4-H issue, or a problem with the participants in this particular case? It sounded to me that @ASL_v2.0 was arguing that no child should ever be in the situation of raising an animal for food, because a significant number of them will come to regard the animal as a pet and suffer emotional anguish as a result. If I mis-read that, I withdraw my comment. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/90 "2023-04-02T20:01:45Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > For some reason there was a rule against being able to keep your first foster so she had to give it up. > > Probably a good rule. It is tough to give up a kitten or pup you’ve had for 2-3 months. I imagine in a lot of cases a foster family fail the first time out and then they’re basically out of the foster program. I don’t know of an agency/group that has enough foster families. Do tell. **Kaylasmom** ’s first guide dog’s puppy raisers were very attached to Misty Dawn, and stayed in contact and came to visit so often, **kaylasmom** had to ask her to ease back on the visits. Her second dog’s puppy raiser was a teenaged boy who was so heartbroken about “losing” Cassidy that he didn’t even want to meet **kaylasmom** at the graduation ceremony. And her third dog only lasted a few years in harness before she had to be retired back to her puppy raiser (who had come around monthly, which I’m sure had nothing to do with Glory’s training not sticking). ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/91 "2023-04-02T20:32:21Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Where’s a literate spider when you need one? She provided a quote on the police actions: [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/f0/8c/e7f08c3b6d95d859394848c6172d6e54.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/f0/8c/e7f08c3b6d95d859394848c6172d6e54.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/92 "2023-04-02T20:40:41Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > It sounded to me that @ASL_v2.0 was arguing that no child should ever be in the situation of raising an animal for food, because a significant number of them will come to regard the animal as a pet and suffer emotional anguish as a result. If I mis-read that, I withdraw my comment. No child should ever be in the position of raising an animal for food _for the first time, without having the opportunity to back out of the arrangement while sparing the animal in exchange for restitution_. It was irresponsible at best (in the case of the mother) and cruel at worst (in the case of the 4-H people who insisted on following through) to put a child in this position without accounting for the possibility that the child might realize that raising an animal for slaughter _is not something she can bring herself to do_. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/93 "2023-04-02T21:56:50Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The sheriffs officers did not make the determination on their own as to who should have the goat. They were carrying out judicial order. Is it common that a judge can resolve a situation like this without charges being filed, evidence collected, etc.? If it was a stereo, could the judge’s order allow the sheriff’s to search Bob’s house and, if they find it, return it directly to Alice? It doesn’t need to be entered as evidence awaiting a court date? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/94 "2023-04-02T23:42:11Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I dunno what happens legally if a foster family falls in love with the cat and won’t return it. I’ve heard that called a failed foster, which is usually considered a success. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/95 "2023-04-02T23:59:47Z")
Not if the car belongs to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/96 "2023-04-03T02:15:53Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The post I was responding to was about the general practices of 4-H fostering food animals, and so was my post. I agree that this case was a clusterfuck. I should have tempered my response to just the 4H group involved and not the entire organization which I would imagine is a good group of people doing good things. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/97 "2023-04-03T02:50:02Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It’s kind of true though. The entire point of the exercise it to teach that experience which includes getting the feels for some. If her parents decided she didn’t need that experience (maybe she’d try in a future year, maybe farming isn’t for her) it’s pretty fucked up for the 4H guy to decide “nah, I know better”. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/98 "2023-04-03T03:15:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > it’s pretty fucked up for the 4H guy to decide “nah, I know better”. Since it’s been awhile since this was attributed correctly: it was the (female) head of the county fair who seems to have made the decision not to allow the goat to be purchased by the family, a decision in which 4-H was not, apparently, involved. While I was never involved in 4-H myself (I was allergic to everything as a child), they have been getting a fair amount of undeserved stick in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/99 "2023-04-03T03:40:59Z")
Assuming it was a bid process and the winner accepted payment from the parents then it’s an additional business transaction beyond the original event. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992/100 "2023-04-03T16:27:55Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > they have been getting a fair amount of undeserved stick in this thread. A learning experience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-didnt-want-her-goat-slaughtered-officials-sent-deputies-after-it/981992.md?page=6)