# Girl throws puppies in river (WARNING: Video of animal cruelty) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195 "2010-08-31T22:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/41 "2010-09-01T10:57:27Z")
> [@Captain\_Midnight](#): > > I saw that video of her throwing those poor babies in the river. What a cunt. She could of given them to an animal shelter or put out an advertisement. Do they have animal shelters in Croatia? > [@](#): > > She could of left them off the side of the road for f\*\*k sake. The relative barbarity of drowning puppies aside, I don’t see much of an argument for it being crueler than letting them die of starvation and exposure. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/42 "2010-09-01T11:05:36Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > If it had been kittens, this board’s server would have caught fire and melted into goop. > > People express this a lot, but I don’t understand why. Dogs are a lot more tuned in to people emotionally and are way more eager to please. Why wouldn’t people be just as, if not more, upset at something bad happening to a puppy or a dog? Unless its all one great big whoosh, this board is pretty cat-centric. Not that the despicable actions shown in this video are any less…well, despicable. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/43 "2010-09-01T11:32:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Captain\_Midnight](#): > > > > I saw that video of her throwing those poor babies in the river. What a cunt. She could of given them to an animal shelter or put out an advertisement. > > Do they have animal shelters in Croatia? [http://www.dubrovnik-animal-shelter.org/](http://www.dubrovnik-animal-shelter.org/) ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/44 "2010-09-01T12:00:22Z")
> [@madrabbitwoman](#): > > > [@even\_sven](#): > > > > I agree with **The Flying Dutchman**. If you have unwanted animals and perhaps do not live in an area that does not have better options, drowning isn’t the worst possible death. Doing so dramatically and taping it is uncalled for, but it doesn’t put you anywhere near the “pure evil” category. > > Drowning is not quick or humane - having nearly drowned I can speak from experience. Surely an axe or a hammer to the head would be better - over in seconds. Though from the video perhaps less fun 😕:eek::mad: Not to mention that gleefully chucking them one by one into a river is not how the average person who drowns a litter of puppies goes about it. You get a strong sack, put a heavy rock in the bottom, add puppies, tie it shut, and toss into deep water. Not that this method of drowning is pleasant but at least it’s faster than this happy little game. And no, it’s not comparable to a slaughterhouse; those are faster and more humane deaths than being thrown in a river and left to struggle and die. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/45 "2010-09-01T12:46:37Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Wish there was this much outrage for late term abortions… I’ve never understood why anyone thinks this statement will be believed. Of course there’s MUCH MORE outrage over (human) abortions. There are huge rallies on the mall about it; there are bumper stickers everywhere, people have murdered doctors for performing abortions; I wouldn’t be surprised if people have murdered doctors who have _not_ performed abortions because they couldn’t be bothered to make the distinction; protesters have stood outside clinics for decades screaming about abortions. And you regard (counts posts…six) six posts on a messageboard as more outrage than all that? What’s wrong with your perception of the world? > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > And no, it’s not comparable to a slaughterhouse; those are faster and more humane deaths than being thrown in a river and left to struggle and die. Don’t anybody interpret “faster and more humane” to mean slaughterhouses are actually humane by any standard. ---
**Author:** ![otternell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecc23a/32.png) [@otternell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/otternell)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/46 "2010-09-01T13:02:22Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > > [@flickster](#): > > > > Wish there was this much outrage for late term abortions… > > Wish people would learn to leave politics out of non-political threads. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/47 "2010-09-01T13:07:31Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > > > And no, it’s not comparable to a slaughterhouse; those are faster and more humane deaths than being thrown in a river and left to struggle and die. > > Don’t anybody interpret “faster and more humane” to mean slaughterhouses are actually humane by any standard. I did use the modifier “more.” I’m a vegetarian, partially for animal welfare reasons. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/48 "2010-09-01T14:20:31Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > How evil is the puppy thrower compared to the people in this clip: [Nueces Helicopter Pig Hunt (no music)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiHmYsyVniE) Those are pigs being killed to stop them from harming crops. They’re mostly getting shot in the torso, so they’re experiencing pain. 500,000 people have watched that video for entertainment. Do they also deserve to be threatened by hordes of teenage vigilantes? The alternative is using dogs to chase them, dogs to clamp onto their ears until they are down and then shoot them. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/49 "2010-09-01T14:31:20Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > Yes! the fact that time and effort were spent to get that video here for us all to enjoy so much is the crux of my outrage. I know that animal control is a very real issue no matter where you go, and I’m a sick fuck, but this is too much. I cant help but think that someone, somewhere is masterbating to that clip. Movie producers spend millions of dollars each on violent movies full of torturous scenes that attract the general public. Outraged about that ? ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/50 "2010-09-01T14:31:50Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > I cant help but think that someone, somewhere is masterbating to that clip. Damnit! Now you’ve put me off my stroke! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/51 "2010-09-01T14:32:58Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Wish there was this much outrage for late term abortions… There is plenty of unfounded and ignorant outrage over abortion at any stage – far more than there is for incidents like this. People aren’t blowing up buildings and shooting people over outrage for puppies. The phrase “late term abortion” doesn’t mean anything, by the way. That’s a political phrase, nor a medical one and it’s used to refer to anything past one trimester. The intent of the phrase is to create a false impression that elective abortions are performed in the third trimester, which they aren’t. “Late term” means second trimester. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/52 "2010-09-01T14:36:55Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Don’t anybody interpret “faster and more humane” to mean slaughterhouses are actually humane by any standard. Why not? They are, the overwhelming majority of the time. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/53 "2010-09-01T14:40:46Z")
People are cold and cruel. Someone does something horrible and films it. News at 11. ---
**Author:** ![LadyJane84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@LadyJane84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LadyJane84)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/54 "2010-09-01T14:45:28Z")
I’m upset that she was cruel for no reason other than to be cruel but I don’t think death threats and threats of violence are appropriate That being said, if I lived in a different culture that didn’t consider (cute cuddly) animal’s lives to be equal to a human’s I would tell her she didn’t have to be so cruel about it and to next time find a more humane way of dealing with unwanted nuisance animals. Because seriously, I’m getting tired of people calling her a murderer (not in this post but in other places I’ve read) They’re dogs, not people and thus are entitled to a basic level of compassion, but animals don’t have an inherent right to life. Why does our society have this overblown level of obsession over companion animals? I would really like to know how many people who are all up in arms over this have ever used a glue trap or warfarin? How many eat meat? The level of hypocrisy in the Western world over animals is ridiculous. It’s illegal to kill a dog because it’s a pet, but every other animal is fair game. All this being said, yes throwing the puppies in the river was cruel and she should be punished. But threatening institutionalization or physical violence toward a child is absolutely inappropriate and frankly would make me question their mental stability. TL;DR Animals are not equal to people, but also should not be drowned. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/55 "2010-09-01T14:57:14Z")
> [@LadyJane84](#): > > That being said, if I lived in a different culture that didn’t consider (cute cuddly) animal’s lives to be equal to a human’s I would tell her she didn’t have to be so cruel about it and to next time find a more humane way of dealing with unwanted nuisance animals. > > Because seriously, I’m getting tired of people calling her a murderer (not in this post but in other places I’ve read) They’re dogs, not people and thus are entitled to a basic level of compassion, but animals don’t have an inherent right to life. Why does our society have this overblown level of obsession over companion animals? I would really like to know how many people who are all up in arms over this have ever used a glue trap or warfarin? How many eat meat? The level of hypocrisy in the Western world over animals is ridiculous. It’s illegal to kill a dog because it’s a pet, but every other animal is fair game. All this being said, yes throwing the puppies in the river was cruel and she should be punished. But threatening institutionalization or physical violence toward a child is absolutely inappropriate and frankly would make me question their mental stability. > > TL;DR Animals are not equal to people, but also should not be drowned. Amen. People forget that in other countries, dogs are feared like we fear wolves. And the harmless ones are seen as pests like we see raccoons. The worst part is that there are people that will, on one hand, acknowledge that the animals need to be destroyed, but on the other hand, condemn the girl for not feeling bad about it. Would you feel bad about shooting a raccoon? Better question: If you don’t feel bad about it, are you “pure evil”? Once again, cute and fluffy emotions triumph over calm reason. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/56 "2010-09-01T15:04:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The intent of the phrase is to create a false impression that elective abortions are performed in the third trimester, which they aren’t. “Late term” means second trimester. Under what circumstances is it possible to have a third-trimester abortion? Is a third-trimester abortion ever done to preserve the health of the mother? I imagine yes, and of course that’s obviously not an elective abortion. How about to preserve the mental health of the mother? I suppose that’s not an elective abortion either. But am I correct in assuming that ultimately, it’s up to the doctor involved? And as long as the doctor is willing to say that the mental health of the mother is at risk, a third-term abortion is permitted? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/57 "2010-09-01T15:10:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > The intent of the phrase is to create a false impression that elective abortions are performed in the third trimester, which they aren’t. “Late term” means second trimester. > > Under what circumstances is it possible to have a third-trimester abortion? That depends on the state. > [@](#): > > Is a third-trimester abortion ever done to preserve the health of the mother? I imagine yes, and of course that’s obviously not an elective abortion. How about to preserve the mental health of the mother? I suppose that’s not an elective abortion either. > > But am I correct in assuming that ultimately, it’s up to the doctor involved? And as long as the doctor is willing to say that the mental health of the mother is at risk, a third-term abortion is permitted? There are only three clinics in the US which perform third trimester abortions, and none of them do it to preserve the mother’s “mental health.” That’s Pro-Life fantasy, not reality. They are only performed when they are medically necessary, usually after the fetus is already dead or dying. Don’t believe the bullshit propaganda that women receive third trimester abortions because they are depressed. It doesn’t happen, and in most states that would be illegal anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/58 "2010-09-01T15:32:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There are only three clinics in the US which perform third trimester abortions, and none of them do it to preserve the mother’s “mental health.” That’s Pro-Life fantasy, not reality. They are only performed when they are medically necessary, usually after the fetus is already dead or dying. Don’t believe the bullshit propaganda that women receive third trimester abortions because they are depressed. It doesn’t happen, and in most states that would be illegal anyway. Could you please produce unbiased cites for each of the claims you have made above? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/59 "2010-09-01T15:43:44Z")
We’ve done all this in other threads before. I’m not going through it again. If you want to dispute anything above, it should be pretty easy to show a cite for any woman getting an elective third trimester abortion in the US. I know it’s a cherished pro-life trope that healthy, full term fetuses are routinely hacked to pieces by cackling, evil abortionists at the whim of liberal, feminist women who suddenly decide in the ninth month that a baby wouldn’t match her shoes, but this is a complete hallucination. It doesn’t happen. If you think you can refute me, have at it. Show me proof that elective abortion happens in the third trimester. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195/60 "2010-09-01T15:56:04Z")
Ooops, didn’t know this had it’s own thread. Once again; The talk about how much attention is given, due to the type of animal that’s being abused, reminds me of an earlier [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=521695&highlight=companion). Again; If these were baby chicks being thrown into a river, would people care as much? I admit I wouldn’t care as much, but ever since I was a part of the discussion I linked to, I’m not sure it’s any less “wrong”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girl-throws-puppies-in-river-warning-video-of-animal-cruelty/552195.md?page=4)