# "Girls Gone Wild" -- product of or failure of feminism?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [August 27, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064 "2003-08-27T20:55:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Sad\_Waters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sad_Waters)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/1 "2003-08-27T20:55:03Z")
You’ve seen them time and time again…
Those “Girls Gone Wild” videos that are way cheap.
The girls don’t seem to mind showing their tits for no rhyme or reason…not even for money.
My question to you is this the end product of the feminist movement or is the further objectification of young women?
Should we be disturbed by this? Is it a sign that these women have low self esteem or view their bodies as mere objects to be oogled over & made fun of by both men and women. What does it say about how we value women in today’s culture, has it changed at all from earlier generations? Has the feminist movement failed in teaching women how to value their bodies & minds and for women to communicate that to their male counterparts?
Or is this in fact the result of empowerment – women doing what the fuck they want whenever they want? Who cares if they’ve been drinking if they have the balls to show their tits to an audience and a camera for free… then more power to them??? Most of these ladies know what’s going on here. Are they really having the last laugh?
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### Author:  [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/2 "2003-08-27T21:03:03Z")
It’s a product of bad judgement if you ask me but I’m the first to admit I’m not their target audience.
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### Author:  [@Skeptico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeptico)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/3 "2003-08-27T21:07:13Z")
The irony is that hardly any of those girls on tape know the meaning of “feminism”…
(The video series was mildly entertaining. I give it one thumb up.)
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### Author:  [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/4 "2003-08-27T21:33:31Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Sad Waters \*
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> The girls don’t seem to mind showing their tits for no rhyme or reason…not even for money.
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Actually, I believe that they get t-shirts. Which is ironic, when you think about it.
I imagine the hard-line feminists are appalled. More irony when you consider that these young ladies have gone considerably past burning their bras.
But I find it mildly heartening that girls can go out and party and even flash the camera and yet somehow the social fabric fails to dissolve. Will the videos come back and haunt some of them? Eh, probably. But by and large they go home from spring break and go on to live their normal productive lives. Some of them even possibly unravished. Unlike some societies, there aren’t mad mullahs splashing them with acid, or outraged brothers beating them for shaming their families.
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### Author:  [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/5 "2003-08-27T21:40:34Z")
At least they’re not shooting them with paintballs.😉
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### Author:  [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/6 "2003-08-27T21:46:37Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Skeptico \*
> (The video series was mildly entertaining. I give it one thumb up.)
Thumb?
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### Author:  [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/7 "2003-08-27T22:15:45Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Finagle \*
> **Will the videos come back and haunt some of them? Eh, probably.**
Of course, this becomes less likely the more women do it. Picking the wheat from the chaff and such. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/8 "2003-08-27T22:25:07Z")
True equality means having the same proportion of women as men _failing_ as well as succeeding. Until women commit suicide, and go bankrupt, and rob banks, and murder tourists, etc., in the same numbers that men do, then equality has not been attained.
We need to have women “public enemies number one” as well as women astronauts, generals, senators, and Fortune 500 CEOs. Anything else is a symptom of limited opportunities.
Trinopus
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### Author:  [@feistyALgal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/feistyALgal)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/9 "2003-08-27T22:27:18Z")
I have an (almost) 17 yr old son who has seen a GGW video at a friend’s house. After about 10 minutes, they were all ragging on the girls being drunken frothy skanks and such.
I concur.
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### Author:  [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/10 "2003-08-27T22:38:47Z")
They get Mardi Gras beads and free t-shirts and other trinkets.
Women’s bodies are objects – the women themselves treat them as objects – and they have no compunctions about selling them. It’s easy and practical to sell and brings in great returns compared to working hard to build a career. Therefore, any woman with a body in high demand is going to be strongly motivated to sell it, rather than earning equivalent money through a more difficult avenue. We see this happen everywhere all the time. It’s free market economics at work.
If these girls weren’t selling images of their boobies in exchange for a t-shirt, they would be selling a multiyear lease on their vaginas to the groom in exchange for a big rock, a lavish wedding, and half of his assets after the inevitable divorce. I don’t see a morality differential between the two arrangements.
Check back with me the day women stop treating their own bodies as an asset that must be monetized under a rubric of artificial scarcity designed to inflate its value. I’m not holding my breath on that one.
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### Author:  [@Muldoon\_s\_Squishiness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muldoon_s_Squishiness)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/11 "2003-08-27T22:41:17Z")
It just proves that there are a lot of **really** stupid women out there who nonetheless managed to be accepted to a college or university.
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### Author:  [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/12 "2003-08-27T23:32:29Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \*
> \*\*If these girls weren’t selling images of their boobies in exchange for a t-shirt, they would be selling a multiyear lease on their vaginas to the groom in exchange for a big rock, a lavish wedding, and half of his assets after the inevitable divorce. I don’t see a morality differential between the two arrangements.
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Quite the assumption.
Maybe they are marrying the guy because they are in love.
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/13 "2003-08-28T03:03:43Z")
Personally, when it comes to GGW, I remember how Homer Simpson toasted alcohol.
That’s pretty much all the answer I need. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/14 "2003-08-28T03:15:58Z")
Lighten up. Girls just wanna have fun.
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### Author:  [@ChaosGod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChaosGod)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/15 "2003-08-28T03:18:42Z")
Maybe if American society weren’t so sexually repressed (puritan origin and all that), young boys and girls wouldn’t be so obsessed by brief tit flashes.
Imagine GGW happening on a nudist beach in Croatia ?
Nope
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### Author:  [@Giggle\_Gaggle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giggle_Gaggle)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/16 "2003-08-28T10:02:19Z")
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> \*Originally posted by autz \*
> \*\*Quite the assumption.
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> Maybe they are marrying the guy because they are in love. \*\*
Love exists with or without a legally binding service contract.
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### Author:  [@dragongirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragongirl)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/17 "2003-08-28T14:19:36Z")
_posted by Giggle Gaggle_
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> Love exists with or without a legally binding service contract.
That’s true, but some of us see marriage as something more then a business arrangement.
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### Author:  [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/18 "2003-08-28T14:22:11Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Giggle Gaggle \*
> \*\*Love exists with or without a legally binding service contract. \*\*
That’s quite a view of marriage you have there.
My wife makes as much as I do and if we were to get divorced I would still be more than happy to give child support to my daughter. Even if we did somehow end up in this situation, I know and trust my wife enough to know she wouldn’t be spending the money I gave her for our child on herself when she already has a good job.
I’m not saying that there are no women anywhere who see marriage as a meal ticket, but I think your condemning all women without just cause. There really are tons good hearted females in the world. Really!
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### Author:  [@Martiju](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martiju)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/19 "2003-08-28T14:26:04Z")
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> \*Originally posted by ChaosGod \*
> \*\*Maybe if American society weren’t so sexually repressed (puritan origin and all that), young boys and girls wouldn’t be so obsessed by brief tit flashes.
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> Imagine GGW happening on a nudist beach in Croatia ?
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> Nope \*\*
Absolutely. They show excerpts from the videos on satellite TV in the UK and I’ve seen a couple of shows. My opinion goes from ‘nice tits’ to ‘that is pretty degrading’. The degrading aspect isn’t the girls though, it’s the guys climbing over each other to get a view or a grope. Just makes me cringe!
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2003, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-gone-wild-product-of-or-failure-of-feminism/198064/20 "2003-08-28T15:34:16Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Sad Waters \*
> **…if they have the balls to show their tits…**
:eek:
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