# Girls serve poisoned cake to classmates **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644 "2004-11-19T13:27:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/41 "2004-11-19T23:37:38Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I don’t think he meant to imply that at all. Little girls making a cake with “interesting” frosting are not terrorists, no matter where they’re from. It’s like calling a little boy who kisses a little girl a dangerous pedophilic predator. Waitaminnit! They _have_ been calling little boys who kiss little girls just that and more. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/42 "2004-11-20T00:02:32Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > One doesn’t have to predict the specific act, in order to take medically advised action in an effort to prevent _some_ potential bad act. It’s a characteristic of her illness to behave callously and without regard to the consequences of how it affects other people. The father was told to place her in an environment where she could receive proper care by professionals trained to educate children with such disabilities. That doesn’t mean bad things won’t still happen, but at least you’ve taken reasonable care to attempt to mitigate that possibility. If you entirely IGNORE medical advice and a PREDICTABLE outcome results from your lack of care, I say you bear at least some responsibility – _especially_ if you’re the parent and you aren’t taking proper care of your child. **Shayne** , you’re being rather alarmist here. Yes, kids with Aspergers have social problems, and yes, they might be at a slightly higher risk of participating in behavior like this, but it just isn’t reasonable to lock up every potential risk in a mental instituation at $50,000 a year. Honestly, mainstreaming so that they can attempt to have regular interactions with others is likely the best policy for children like her, and just because the dad didn’t agree with one medical professional’s opinion doesn’t mean he’s a bad dad. He apparently weighed the risks, rewards, pros, and cons of different options, and decided that putting her into regular classes was the best strategy. Back in middle school, I was far from popular and got picked on a lot. A kids with Down’s sysdrome that had been “mainstreamed” for some classes while still doing remedial ed in others picked up on this, and the fact that other kids thought it was funny when he pushed me around. He was a big kid, and he got away with it because, well, he has Down’s syndrome. Sure, he was a risk to other students, but his parents and school administrators made a rational decision after weighing the options. They could have locked him away in “special classes”, or at least given him a chance to socialize and pick up regular social skills that will serve him later in life. This girl and that kid both have significant rights to a social education that cannot just be waived away with the drop of the hat because it presents a slight risk to other students. What do you want to do, now everybody with Down’s syndrome isn’t allowed to talk to other kids in real classes? What about unpopular loners? They tend to be the ones that go Paducah or Columbine. Why don’t we just kick people without enough friends out of the schools, because, hey, they’re a risk too? You could probably diagnose a fifth of the middle-school population with some type of conduct disorder, let’s throw them out the door as well. Hey, what about bad drivers in high school? They might drive their friends to lunch and hurt other kids too. They’re out. In fact, males at that age seem more dangerous as well, why don’t we just make schools for popular, middle-upper class white girls with good social skills and two-parent homes and good driving habits? Everyone else can go to school once they’ve been knocked down with 15 mg of Haldol and have two psychiatric-nurses to accompany them. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/43 "2004-11-20T00:20:01Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > **Shayne** , you’re being rather alarmist here. > [@](#): > > What do you want to do, now everybody with Down’s syndrome isn’t allowed to talk to other kids in real classes? What about unpopular loners? They tend to be the ones that go Paducah or Columbine. Why don’t we just kick people without enough friends out of the schools, because, hey, they’re a risk too? You could probably diagnose a fifth of the middle-school population with some type of conduct disorder, let’s throw them out the door as well. Hey, what about bad drivers in high school? They might drive their friends to lunch and hurt other kids too. They’re out. In fact, males at that age seem more dangerous as well, why don’t we just make schools for popular, middle-upper class white girls with good social skills and two-parent homes and good driving habits? Everyone else can go to school once they’ve been knocked down with 15 mg of Haldol and have two psychiatric-nurses to accompany them. :smack: Hey, pot? C’mere, I have someone I’d like you to meet. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/44 "2004-11-20T00:27:16Z")
Just so everyone here is clear, I do NOT support kicking everyone out of public schools except for a select few who have been convincingly proven to be safe. _I was using sarcasm_. Are there any other questions I need to answer? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/45 "2004-11-20T01:05:29Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > Just so everyone here is clear, I do NOT support kicking everyone out of public schools except for a select few who have been convincingly proven to be safe. > > _I was using sarcasm_. > > Are there any other questions I need to answer? Why do foo-ools fall in love? Why pose such a silly question on this board? Do you really enjoy bad jokes? ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/46 "2004-11-20T01:53:47Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I bet someone sues the school for serving food that didn’t come from a known source and that nobody will be allowed to bring cake ever again. Honestly, I’m surprised that some schools allow homeade food at all. The school that I attended only allowed students to share snacks that were store bought, and the seal had to be opened in view of the teacher. This was way back in 1987 and as far as I know had been in place for years before that. Have the other girl’s parents spoken to the press about what she was thinking yet? ---
**Author:** ![Sleel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Sleel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/47 "2004-11-20T02:20:04Z")
Who would actually eat enough of this conglomeration to get sick? You can smell a couple of drops of bleach mixed with a cup of water, even when the water is treated with chlorine. I’d pit the idiot kids who were stupid enough to hog down enough “cornbread” to barf from it. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/48 "2004-11-20T04:32:04Z")
> [@Sleel](#): > > Who would actually eat enough of this conglomeration to get sick? You can smell a couple of drops of bleach mixed with a cup of water, even when the water is treated with chlorine. I’d pit the idiot kids who were stupid enough to hog down enough “cornbread” to barf from it. It is quite possible that those who suffered nausea, vomitting and diarreah only ate a few bites. It may have taken them that long to notice that something was amok with the cake. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/49 "2004-11-20T07:20:57Z")
> [@Sleel](#): > > Who would actually eat enough of this conglomeration to get sick? You can smell a couple of drops of bleach mixed with a cup of water, even when the water is treated with chlorine. I’d pit the idiot kids who were stupid enough to hog down enough “cornbread” to barf from it. I wonder which happened: 1. Someone realizes something is wrong, says, “This is yucky,” someone else takes a test bite, says,“Ooh, you’re right: it’s disgusting,” and suddenly kids, affected psychologically, start feeling sick and puking, even though the cake itself would have had the power to induce vomiting by itself. 2. The cake really was powerful enough to make kids start a-puking. My guess is that it was combo of both: the cake caused someone to barf within a few minutes, and then others were affected by histeria. IANAtoxicologist, but wouldn’t the PlayDoh plus the bleach have an emetic and purgative effect? Man, that’s disgusting shit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/50 "2004-11-20T08:24:04Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I don’t think he meant to imply that at all. Little girls making a cake with “interesting” frosting are not terrorists, no matter where they’re from. It’s like calling a little boy who kisses a little girl a dangerous pedophilic predator. This story was on the Today Show this morning and they interviewed the father. He said his daughter made a bad call and she was sorry. He then started to blame the school saying something to the effect of the school knew she needed supervision and she wasn’t supervised that day. Now, as far as “little girls”, these girls are teenagers. A frosting that sends 11 of their classmates to the hospital is a bit more than “interesting”. Bleach and expired prescription drugs? Even if one girl has issues, all of them can’t use this excuse. ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/51 "2004-11-20T16:39:46Z")
I know cornbread. I know cake. But what, pray tell, is cornbread cake? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/52 "2004-11-20T20:03:40Z")
> [@](#): > > This story was on the Today Show this morning and they interviewed the father. He said his daughter made a bad call and she was sorry. Had this been my daughter, she would have been sorry, too. Make no mistake about it. She would be profoundly, undeniably, most sincerely sorry. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![vinniepaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@vinniepaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vinniepaz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/53 "2004-11-20T21:33:56Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > From the article: > > Huh? Putting expired meds and bleach in baked goods is certainly deplorable, but % istic?" Was she shouting “Allah Akbar!” as the cake was distributed? Did the heads of any students get lopped off? Any explosions? > > Sheesh. Allah_u_ Akbar. And thinking God is great doesn’t make one a ist. Even if they say it in Arabic. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/54 "2004-11-21T04:53:24Z")
> [@vinniepaz](#): > > Allah_u_ Akbar. And thinking God is great doesn’t make one a ist. Even if they say it in Arabic. Intellectually I understand that, but it’s still hard not associate the phrase with beheadings after watching the Nick Berg video. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/55 "2004-11-21T05:01:22Z")
> [@kittenblue](#): > > I know cornbread. I know cake. But what, pray tell, is cornbread cake? Knowing my fondness of cornbread, I would have eaten a piece to find out. ---
**Author:** ![vinniepaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@vinniepaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vinniepaz)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/56 "2004-11-21T09:15:50Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Intellectually I understand that, but it’s still hard not associate the phrase with beheadings after watching the Nick Berg video. I would advise you never to go to a Mosque. Or watch a Muslim pray. The phrase is repeated a large number of times. I have no problem keeping apart the people who attack abortion clinics and use pro-God phrases and my religious friends, just as i have no problem seperating my Muslim friends from those who do beheadings. I understand that everyone is a little nervous about Islam, but it is really unfair and offensive to equate something that even a Christian might say if speaking in Arabic with beheadings. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/57 "2004-11-21T14:18:50Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > This story was on the Today Show this morning and they interviewed the father. He said his daughter made a bad call and she was sorry. He then started to blame the school saying something to the effect of the school knew she needed supervision and she wasn’t supervised that day. Huh? I thought the cake-baking took place at his house. > [@](#): > > Now, as far as “little girls”, these girls are teenagers. A frosting that sends 11 of their classmates to the hospital is a bit more than “interesting”. Bleach and expired prescription drugs? Even if one girl has issues, all of them can’t use this excuse. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/58 "2004-11-21T14:47:05Z")
No kidding. The interview should have gone like this: Dad: “I’m outraged! It was well known that my daughter needs close supervision at all times. The school failed in their duty to watch her!” Interviewer: “And where were you when she was obtaining expired narcotics and adding them, along with bleach, to the cake?” Dad: "Ummmm . . . " I don’t think the assault with intent charge is necessarily without merit. Georgia code states > [@](#): > > 16-5-21. > (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults: > . . . > (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; It’s certainly arguable that bleach and expired narcotic drugs qualify as instruments likely to cause serious bodily injury. Also, as for terroristic acts, the definition in Georgia is pretty broad: > [@](#): > > 16-11-37. . . . > (b) A person commits the offense of a terroristic act when: > . . . > (3) He or she releases any hazardous substance . . . for the purpose of terrorizing another . . . or otherwise causing serious public inconvenience or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/59 "2004-11-21T18:04:09Z")
The father didn’t have too clear a line of reasoning when he was talking about the school watching his daughter. I’m guessing he is wondering why the fuck the school let his daughter bring a cake in the first place. He didn’t go into too much detail about it. The state A.G. for Georgia was also interviewed and he had a pretty good point about the terror charges. If you tell someone you have poisoned them and that they are going to die from it, you have terrorized that person. If what he was saying is true, the girls told the classmates the cake would kill them. I’ve not heard any details about this since. ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644/60 "2004-11-21T18:29:19Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > He then started to blame the school saying something to the effect of the school knew she needed supervision and she wasn’t supervised that day. I haaaaaate that bullshit! When I was in highschool, some ratbastard raised his hand, asked to go to the bathroom, and then was caught red-handed breaking into lockers with loot in his pockets. What happened? His parents blamed the school saying “What the hell was our son doing roaming the halls??? How dare you leave our 18 year-old senior unsupervised!” :rolleyes: The result? The kid didn’t get in _any_ trouble. And _no one_ was allowed to go to the bathroom anymore unless it was during the 10 minute break between classes. Worked great when my classmate threw up in class because she wasn’t allowed to be excused. :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-serve-poisoned-cake-to-classmates/275644.md?page=2)