# Girls that lie about their age to get sex **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 6, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918 "2014-11-06T19:41:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/141 "2014-11-17T23:03:45Z")
dude, would you stop? You’re clearly twisting my words no, “memes” are not just stereotypes. Why don’t you actually freaking read up on it, before using the term? Like I said, I’ve actually grown up in the blue states, and my impression of it comes from almost 30 years of experience. When I’m stating those things, I’m stating what I’ve seen people actually believe around here. I’m just curious if the cultural rot has spread to the red states, as Mike Judge’s “King of the Hill” might have one believe. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/142 "2014-11-17T23:07:33Z")
> [@EdwinAmi](#): > > dude, would you stop? You’re clearly twisting my words > > no, “memes” are not just stereotypes. Why don’t you actually freaking read up on it, before using the term? Then perhaps you’d be so kind as to explain what you mean by the “cultural memes” you’re “bombarded with.” > [@](#): > > Like I said, I’ve actually grown up in the blue states, and my impression of it comes from almost 30 years of experience. When I’m stating those things, I’m stating what I’ve seen people actually believe around here. I’m just curious if the cultural rot has spread to the red states, as Mike Judge’s “King of the Hill” might have one believe. Are you at least willing to consider that your impressions may be biased? ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/143 "2014-11-17T23:21:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you at least willing to consider that your impressions may be biased? My impressions of the red states, maybe, since I’ve never really lived there. But like I said, I’ve grown up here in the blue states, and I know what I’m talking about. The “culture”, like anything else, is not monolithic among all people, those who do believe in some of the ideas don’t believe in others, but for the most part, it dominates the higher circles of society hear that are in positions of power or cultural influence. I was exposed to a more extreme element of it, in the form of foreigner parents from the near-east, with said cultures easily fitting into the crass, shallow, cosmopolitan culture here. They were also an extreme example, being very wealthy but also very very stupid. Anyway, I know it doesn’t really matter, since you’ll never actually take the time to read any conservative or right-leaning literature, and will remain convinced of your superiority over anyone who doesn’t fit into your tiny demographic of college educated yuppies who don’t work for a living and isn’t from your area, etc. However I can assure you that there are other kinds of people in the world, and as hard as this is to hear, they don’t want to be like you and they are happy with their lives, and even though their beliefs involve something other than valuing the self above everything else, they aren’t monsters and troglodytes. ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/144 "2014-11-17T23:33:46Z")
I gotta wonder what the hell is in the minds of these judges dismissing mens rea “We have laws making it illegal to do a certain thing, knowingly somebody does the illegal thing, unintentionally we punish him even though he didn’t know he was doing it and thought he was following the law so that we incentivize him to… follow the law like he thought he was?” Or do they just not want people to do anything even remotely related to the crime? In which case, shouldn’t that be up to the legislators? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/145 "2014-11-18T00:19:52Z")
I don’t have a problem with the concept of a 14 year-old who knows what sex is, enjoys sex, seeks out sex. It would be nice if they weren’t stupid about it, but there are lots of adults who haven’t managed that, cases in point being any of them who knowingly have sex with a 14 year-old. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/146 "2014-11-18T00:50:21Z")
> [@EdwinAmi](#): > > Anyway, I know it doesn’t really matter, since you’ll never actually take the time to read any conservative or right-leaning literature, and will remain convinced of your superiority over anyone who doesn’t fit into your tiny demographic of college educated yuppies who don’t work for a living and isn’t from your area, etc. > > However I can assure you that there are other kinds of people in the world, and as hard as this is to hear, they don’t want to be like you and they are happy with their lives, and even though their beliefs involve something other than valuing the self above everything else, they aren’t monsters and troglodytes. You don’t know me, friend. I’d appreciate your backing the fuck off the personal shit a little. ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/147 "2014-11-18T00:54:19Z")
well then stop trying to negate basic cultural stuff. Like I said, I’m not sure about the red states, but I sure as hell know the Blue States. And if you’re trying to defend the modern blue state, crass, cosmopolitan media culture, or ignoring that it exists, it SOUNDS like you’re a blue-state devotee. Are you REALLY going to tell me none of the cultural memes I mentioned for blue states at all ring true? There’s no way anyone who’s been in a blue state isn’t used to the schlock memes I mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/148 "2014-11-18T01:04:20Z")
> [@EdwinAmi](#): > > well then stop trying to negate basic cultural stuff. I have done no such thing. I’m sorry you got that impression, but I sure can’t see where my words would have given you that idea. > [@](#): > > Like I said, I’m not sure about the red states, but I sure as hell know the Blue States. And if you’re trying to defend the modern blue state, crass, cosmopolitan media culture, or ignoring that it exists, it SOUNDS like you’re a blue-state devotee. I honestly have no idea what a “blue-state devotee” is. It sounds like you’re doing a lot of painting with a very broad brush. > [@](#): > > Are you REALLY going to tell me none of the cultural memes I mentioned for blue states at all ring true? There’s no way anyone who’s been in a blue state isn’t used to the schlock memes I mentioned. Again, I don’t know what you mean by “cultural memes,” or “schlock memes,” or how either apply to states. Can you explain? ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/149 "2014-11-18T02:17:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Again, I don’t know what you mean by “cultural memes,” or “schlock memes,” or how either apply to states. Can you explain? Come on. You could read the little hypotheticals above that I had posted that YOU WERE RESPONDING TO IN THE FIRST PLACE. But all the stuff I wrote above. To put it short, it’s a culture raised on TV, making it, ironically, no real culture at all, that outwardly espouses extremely left-leaning do-what-you-feel ideas, while simultaneously not following them, going to college, and seeing anybody who doesn’t as being scum. Then as a lifestyle, largely money-seeking, seeing money as the standard of life/status, and maybe attempting to engage in the traditional marriage/kids thing, but without really understanding the obligations involved. Then, either fucking up at raising kids, because god forbid you understand nuance in the world and the basic fact that kids act like kids, or divorce facilitated by “you go girl!” feminist bullshit that eschews any real obligations, aided by a shitty legal system that reams men. Basically, an ego-centered culture. Our own little modern sociopaths. I could go on, there’s more. It’s nothing you don’t read about if you follow conservative (libertarian) blogs like instapundit. Again, I have to reiterate, this is from my own lived experience with other people. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/150 "2014-11-18T02:22:13Z")
It’s worth noting that millennials volunteer more than any other generation. Strange behaviors for a bunch of sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/151 "2014-11-18T02:27:30Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s worth noting that millennials volunteer more than any other generation I really really, really doubt that. To any extent that it’s true, it’s probably from more religious types who have much stronger reproductive demographics. Or maybe volunteering is the only thing you can put on your resume in this shitty economy. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/152 "2014-11-18T02:29:04Z")
Or maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do. ---
**Author:** ![EdwinAmi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5fc32e/32.png) [@EdwinAmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwinAmi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/153 "2014-11-18T03:00:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Or maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do. Oh jeez. Come on. You don’t find the resume theory at all salient? I know plenty of people who do that shit. What is it, have I even been saying I know so much? Please ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/154 "2014-11-18T12:13:10Z")
The millennials are the most tolerant, public-service minded, in-touch, high-achieving generation yet. They work harder in school than previous generations. They take harder classes and do better in them. They volunteer more. They have unusual tolerance and relatively little discrimination. They show deep engagement with global justice. By all measures, they are actually a pretty good generation. The world has become a lot more connected and a lot more competitive over the last couple decades, and millennials are rising to the challenge. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/155 "2014-11-18T13:34:29Z")
> [@EdwinAmi](#): > > Come on. You could read the little hypotheticals above that I had posted that YOU WERE RESPONDING TO IN THE FIRST PLACE. > But all the stuff I wrote above. To put it short, it’s a culture raised on TV, making it, ironically, no real culture at all, that outwardly espouses extremely left-leaning do-what-you-feel ideas, while simultaneously not following them, going to college, and seeing anybody who doesn’t as being scum. Then as a lifestyle, largely money-seeking, seeing money as the standard of life/status, and maybe attempting to engage in the traditional marriage/kids thing, but without really understanding the obligations involved. Then, either fucking up at raising kids, because god forbid you understand nuance in the world and the basic fact that kids act like kids, or divorce facilitated by “you go girl!” feminist bullshit that eschews any real obligations, aided by a shitty legal system that reams men. > Basically, an ego-centered culture. Our own little modern sociopaths. > I could go on, there’s more. It’s nothing you don’t read about if you follow conservative (libertarian) blogs like instapundit. > > Again, I have to reiterate, this is from my own lived experience with other people. Sounds like massive broad-brush crossed with “you kids today!” fist-shaking. In short, it sounds like little to do with reality, both statistically and anecdotally in my experience living in various blue areas, peppered with anti-feminist MRA gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/156 "2014-11-18T14:29:33Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > It’s worth noting that millennials volunteer more than any other generation. Strange behaviors for a bunch of sociopaths. [Ahem](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-rosenthal/generation-who-new-report_b_928426.html). “Since retired Boomers and under-employed Millenials have more time outside of the work day, we may expect they spend more of their time serving. But the data show the inverse is true.” “And Gen Xers are the only generation volunteering more hours than years past.” Fucking millenials. Think they’re special flowers. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/157 "2014-11-18T15:28:13Z")
With respect, **Hamlet** , that Rosenthal piece is pretty weak IMHO. But I may just be low on caffeine and cranky. Regardless, per the [Volunteering in America survey](http://www.nationalservice.gov/impact-our-nation/research-and-reports/volunteering-america), his–and your–point stands: Xers are the most volunteery, and at an increasing rate. And of _course_ millenials think they’re special flowers. Just like GenX and the Boomers did when they were punk kids. . ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/158 "2014-11-18T15:29:37Z")
> [@andros](#): > > And of _course_ millenials think they’re special flowers. Just like GenX and the Boomers did when they were punk kids. Now will you get off my lawn? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/159 "2014-11-18T15:32:11Z")
Only because I _volunteer_ to, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girls-that-lie-about-their-age-to-get-sex/703918/160 "2014-11-18T16:15:55Z")
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