# Girlspooping.com vs. USPS and Sec. 1461. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 27, 2003, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638 "2003-03-27T23:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/1 "2003-03-27T23:13:49Z")
So this just popped up on [The Smoking Gun](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/poopvid1.html) today. It appears that a West Virginia couple were arrested for mailing videos with (as the website would suggest) girls pooping via the United States Postal Service. According to [TITLE 18 \> PART I \> CHAPTER 71 \> Sec. 1461](http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1461.html) which states: > [@](#): > > (Whoever knowingly uses the mails for the mailing, carriage in the mails, or delivery) Every obscene, lewd, lascivious, indecent, filthy or vile article, matter, thing, device, or substance; and -… > shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, for the first such offense, and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, for each such offense thereafter. Frankly, I don’t **EVER** want to see the video, but should we have laws that prohibit this type of material and enforce this? It would seem to me that according to this code that a lot of other items, such as **Playboy** for it’s nudie pics or **Cosmopolitan** for its sex quizes could be construed under this same code. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/2 "2003-03-27T23:16:16Z")
God damn we are a prude country. ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/3 "2003-03-27T23:19:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Every obscene, lewd, lascivious, indecent, filthy or vile article, matter, thing, device, or substance Who comes up with this shit? ---
**Author:** ![bo989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@bo989](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bo989)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/4 "2003-03-28T00:00:03Z")
In my humble opinion, American’s need to seriously re-evaluate their values. Why is there such an aversion to different aspects of sexuality when violence is whole-heartedly embraced? ---
**Author:** ![bo989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@bo989](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bo989)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/5 "2003-03-28T00:02:51Z")
I realize the last sentence of my last post may have been a bit cryptic. My wonderment stems from the observation that American’s seem hung up on sexuality, while on the other hand embracing violence. The problem here is that, in my opinion, any aspect of sexuality explored between two consenting adults is healthy, while violence in almost any form is dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/6 "2003-03-28T00:07:30Z")
Thank heaven for **U** nited **P** orn **S** ervice and Fed **XXX**! But seriously… Yes, this has been around forever and laws on using the US taxpayer-supported infrastructure(i.e. USPS) to deliver this type of stuff aren’t going to go away any time soon. Try to remember that several postal employees handle each letter/package between the time it leaves the sender and the time it gets to your door. A “hostile workplace” suit or two and these laws begin to earn their keep. Ever wonder why every single porn shop promises “discreet packaging”? It’s not to cover your ass, it’s to cover theirs. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/7 "2003-03-28T00:18:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bo989 \* > \*\* > In my humble opinion, American’s need to seriously re-evaluate their values. Why is there such an aversion to different aspects of sexuality when violence is whole-heartedly embraced? \*\* I’ve wondered this ever since I was a child. Given the choice of behaviors I would rather have my children engaging in I would rather that they be engaging in sexual behavior than violent behavior. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bbe5ce/32.png) [@X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/X_Slayer_ALE)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/8 "2003-03-28T00:37:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Azael \* > \*\*Who comes up with this shit? \*\* Didnt you read the OP? Its the little girls doing it! 😃 Another exercise in Intellegence being blatantly failed. The Post office doesnt want this shit or videos of this shit in their system. Go fed-x or UPS or the internet. If these people are too dumb to get around this simple test, they dont deserve to be in the porn business. And its a good thing too. anyone getting excited watching this shit is sick. Why dont they watch a good toe sucking video like normal perverts?! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/9 "2003-03-28T00:40:48Z")
I can (and so has SCOTUS) justify a ban on child porn, as in order to have “real” child porn, you have to have had a child abused somewhere along the line. Thus, “no child porn= less child sexual abuse”. Thus, they can 'wipe their ass with the 1st Admendment" for this crime as it protect the innocent. But “scat sex” is not illegal (well, maybe in some places), and thus why any ban on making/selling/distributing it? This, along with various “blue laws” are such silly shit. However NO LINKS to this stuff, OK? 😃 Eeeeew. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/10 "2003-03-28T00:42:52Z")
_“Who comes up with this shit?”_ _“It’s not to cover your ass, it’s to cover theirs.”_ Sorry, but the couple being charged here are wasting their time and that of the Postal Service promoting this crap. I’m sorry if it cramps their style, but they need to be thrown in the can and ponder their sins for awhile before being discharged back into society. I’m not a party-pooper, but I think they deserve to be in deep doo-doo. _“In my humble opinion, American’s (sic) need to seriously re-evaluate their values. Why is there such an aversion to different aspects of sexuality when violence is whole-heartedly embraced?”_ There always seems to be some Canadian itching to take a dump on us. We oughta kick your ass. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/11 "2003-03-28T00:48:33Z")
I really wish that obscenity laws would be scrapped completely. I find this stuff just as repulsive as everyone else, but I don’t see why we need to go after the people who are into it as long as there aren’t any minors or unconsenting people involved. (Justices Douglas and Black agreed with me, although they were the minority). Being a postal inspector must be an awful job. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/12 "2003-03-28T00:52:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > \*\* > > Sorry, but the couple being charged here are wasting their time and that of the Postal Service promoting this crap. I’m sorry if it cramps their style, but they need to be thrown in the can and ponder their sins for awhile before being discharged back into society. I’m not a party-pooper, but I think they deserve to be in deep doo-doo. > \*\* I caa-caan’t believe you’d stool to such bad puns. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/13 "2003-03-28T01:09:33Z")
I think obscenity laws should be done away with. Putting the “girlspooping” people behind bars serves no usefull purpose. > [@](#): > > There always seems to be some Canadian itching to take a dump on us. We oughta kick your ass. There always seem to be some American who violently reacts to any criticism of his country. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/14 "2003-03-28T01:10:50Z")
You all realize, of course, that the [pooping.com](http://pooping.com) couple wouldn’t have gotten in such trouble if they’d avoided the Postal Service and utilized the [logical carrier](http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news/companies/ups.reut/) to transport their filth? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/15 "2003-03-28T01:14:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > \*\* > > ry to remember that several postal employees handle each letter/package between the time it leaves the sender and the time it gets to your door. A “hostile workplace” suit or two and these laws begin to earn their keep. Ever wonder why every single porn shop promises “discreet packaging”? It’s not to cover your ass, it’s to cover theirs. > > Enjoy, > Steven \*\* We had laws regarding the transport of obscene material via the USPS since before the concept of a hostile work environment existed as a basis for a lawsuit. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/16 "2003-03-28T01:28:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*There always seem to be some American who violently reacts to any criticism of his country. :rolleyes: \*\* And as for **you** , Mr. **Blalron** , stop being so overly anal-retentive and jumping to conclusions (methinks that’s a risky combination). I am not speaking as an American, but as an outraged former _West Virginian_. The actions of these vile people have once again defamed my state and reinforced ugly stereotypes (there are still people who think that the West Virginia legislature meets in an oversized outhouse). Stop obsessing over the rectitude of video-crapping. You all disgust me. I’m going to cleanse my mind and soul by listening to a few Chuck Berry records. By the way, the Postal Service should be grateful if this is the worst it gets exposed to. I once heard a story about a physician who mailed a 24-hour stool sample to a laboratory (this was, and I suppose still is an appropriate test for detecting lipid malabsorption). The package, um, burst in transport. And let me tell you, there was hell to pay. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/17 "2003-03-28T01:34:54Z")
[**Absolutely my FAVOURITE excerpt:**](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/poopvid13.html) > [@](#): > > _(my bold)_ In several scenes, a man is laying underneath the woman who appears to be Sharon Corbett while she defecates into his opened mouth. In one of these scenes **the man is not wearing a shirt.** Shock! Freak! Horror! PORN VID SHOWS **NAKED MALE CHEST!!!** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/18 "2003-03-28T01:42:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > **Yes, this has been around forever and laws on using the US taxpayer-supported infrastructure(i.e. USPS) to deliver this type of stuff aren’t going to go away any time soon.** Taxpayer supported? Isn’t the USPS a fully self-sustaining corporation now? > [@](#): > > **Try to remember that several postal employees handle each letter/package between the time it leaves the sender and the time it gets to your door.** They aren’t opening the packages and watching the videos inside, are they? They have no reason to even _know_ what’s on the tape. ---
**Author:** ![bo989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@bo989](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bo989)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/19 "2003-03-28T01:47:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > _“In my humble opinion, American’s (sic) need to seriously re-evaluate their values. Why is there such an aversion to different aspects of sexuality when violence is whole-heartedly embraced?”_ > > There always seems to be some Canadian itching to take a dump on us. We oughta kick your ass. :mad: \*\* Do you not think I have a valid concern, Jackmannii? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638/20 "2003-03-28T01:52:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by X~Slayer(ALE) \* > \*\*Didnt you read the OP? Its the little girls doing it! 😃 \*\* Despite the name “[girlspooping.com](http://girlspooping.com)”, all the females in the material they’ve mailed are (supposedly) legal adults. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/girlspooping-com-vs-usps-and-sec-1461/164638.md?page=2)