# Giuliani has cancer (not a gag)! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 27, 2000, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540 "2000-04-27T16:42:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/21 "2000-04-28T16:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Does he have his faults? Sure, who doesn’t? Be that as it may, he took a city that was mired in bureaucratic incompetence, cronyism and crime and replaced it with, if not a well-oiled living machine, then at least one of the most livable large cities in the US. Yeah, and he made the trains run on time too. Personally, I find Rudy’s brand of politics a little too fascist for my taste (and I’m not just using the word rhetorically). As for Al D’Amato, well I guess “colorfulness” is one way to put it. I give him credit for setting a standard of sleaze that future politicians will be able to aspire to. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/22 "2000-04-28T16:53:00Z")
**NickyLarson:** Hee hee hee…I’ll have to send you one of my favorite tee shirts: **I don’t care if he’s dead, I still want to IMPEACH NIXON.** ---
**Author:** ![SwimmingRiddles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SwimmingRiddles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwimmingRiddles)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/23 "2000-04-28T16:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Does he have his faults? Sure, who doesn’t? Be that as it may, he took a city that > was mired in bureaucratic incompetence, cronyism and crime and replaced it with, if > not a well-oiled living machine, then at least one of the most livable large cities in the > US. Gee, that description could apply to Hitler, Mousillini, Stalin, or any other dictator. He chose to ignore the rights of minorities. He chose to allow the homeless population to be boxed up and shipped across town like garbage without a dump. I don’t think anyone deserves cancer (maybe a nice big cronic boil…) but I my pillow will not be wet with tears. * * * “I go on guilt trips a couple of time a year. Mom books them for me.” A custom made Wally .sig! ```auto My iguana's sick. He's all floppy. Could he have Reptile dysfunction? -Chef Troy, Haiku Master ``` ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2000, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/24 "2000-04-29T05:41:00Z")
Criminalizing the homeless. Tacitly encouraging the New York City Police to consider themselve above any law written by man or God. Defunding almost all grassroots community organizations despite economic prosperity. Vindictiveness to the point of the ridiculous. e.g. Trying to evict from a city owned building a thriving senior citizen’s center and a full to capacity day-care center in order to put in a homeless shelter in Caroll Gardens because that district’s state senator _voted against his bill to fund a program that would ship the homeless out of NY._ I could go on. Maybe I will later. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/25 "2000-04-28T18:32:00Z")
\ ***Ukulele Ike:** This reminds me of when Tricky Dick died, several years back…I was at a cocktail party, and the subject came up. A literary agent – a very distinguished, silver-haired, impeccably tweeded, Brit-accent-and-all literary agent – said “Too bad he died so soon…I wanted the son-of-a-bitch to go BLIND first.” Even in that roomful of professional snotty-East-Coast-intellectual-media-Nixon-hater types, there was a moment of embarrassed silence.\* ## When I heard RMN died, I was at a bar. I joked, “I’ll guess we won’t have him to kick around anymore,” paraphrasing RMN’s own statement decades before. My GF nudged me, then whispered that a friend of ours standing nearby (but fortunately out of earshot) was quite upset at the news. I honestly didn’t think anyone held him in regard anymore. _shrug_ You must unlearn what you have learned. – Yoda ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/26 "2000-04-28T18:33:00Z")
Give me a break. I’ve heard this “criminalizing the homeless” line for years, now, and it hasn’t been true once. No one who’s homeless that wasn’t a criminal for some other reason was a criminal under Giuliani. Ignore the rights of minorities? Examples, please. The minority communities in New York have their interests bound up with the Democratic Party. Of course they don’t like Giuliani. Defending the police? Only when he thought they were right, not as a knee-jerk reaction. He didn’t defend them in the Louima case, for one example. Vindictiveness to the point of the ridiculous? Gee, like he’s the first politician in the world to go tit-for-tat. I certainly don’t admire it, but it’s hardly unusual, and certainly previous mayors have done it…while mayoring much less effectively. Chaim Mattis Keller ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/27 "2000-04-28T19:41:00Z")
Whatever one thinks of Guiliani (and I happen to like him), no sane person could be happy about the news that he has prostate cancer: it means that we’ll be subjected to long segments on the television news and long articles in newspapers and magazines about prostate cancer – with vivid pictures in excruciating, appetite-killing detail – just as we are about to sit down to a meal. Anyone remember Ronald Reagan’s polyp? We were “treated” on the evening news to pictures of the inside of Ronnie’s colon! That’s more than _I_ ever wanted to know about my President. “Inside the Presidency” indeed! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/28 "2000-04-28T19:57:00Z")
I just found it this week one of those great ironies of life that make it all seem worthwhile. Last year, when Giuliani was busy protesting the Brooklyn art exhibit, I somehow came across this column (I forget who e-mailed it to me.) > [@](#): > > [While](http://www.mediaresearch.org/columns/ent/col19990928.html) Giuliani was a profile in courage for outraged Catholics and stunned taxpayers, Hillary Clinton proved what a doctrinaire leftist she really is. First she avoided comment while her staffers whispered to reporters that Giuliani was embarrassing himself. Forced to make a stand as the controversy grew, she declared that the museum should not be punished, even though she “shares” the feeling that “parts” of the exhibit were “deeply offensive,” and she would not attend it. Oh, spare us. In Hillary’s village, these shocking exhibits are just peachy. (The New York Times just reported her budding new relationship with Eve Ensler, author of “The Vagina Monologues.”) Now, it turns out that Donna Hanover, Rudolph Giuliani’s wife, is going to perform in an off-Broadway version of “The Vagina Monologues”! I hope Mr. Giuliani will be out picketing the theatre. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/29 "2000-04-28T20:00:00Z")
whoa! How did I manage that? Let me try again. (Moderator! Please get rid of the previous post!) I just found it this week one of those great ironies of life that make it all seem worthwhile. Last year, when Giuliani was busy protesting the Brooklyn art exhibit, I somehow came across this column (I forget who e-mailed it to me.) [http://www.mediaresearch.org/columns/ent/col19990928.html](http://www.mediaresearch.org/columns/ent/col19990928.html) > [@](#): > > While Giuliani was a profile in courage for outraged Catholics and stunned taxpayers, Hillary Clinton proved what a doctrinaire leftist she really is. First she avoided comment while her staffers whispered to reporters that Giuliani was embarrassing himself. Forced to make a stand as the controversy grew, she declared that the museum should not be punished, even though she “shares” the feeling that “parts” of the exhibit were “deeply offensive,” and she would not attend it. Oh, spare us. In Hillary’s village, these shocking exhibits are just peachy. (The New York Times just reported her budding new relationship with Eve Ensler, author of “The Vagina Monologues.”) Now, it turns out that Donna Hanover, Rudolph Giuliani’s wife, is going to perform in an off-Broadway version of “The Vagina Monologues”! I hope Mr. Giuliani will be out picketing the theatre. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/30 "2000-04-28T20:40:00Z")
No, he’ll be too busy tearing himself a new asshole. I’m sorry. I’ll stop now. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/31 "2000-04-28T20:43:00Z")
Sorry, I don’t see the relevance. a) I don’t see anything in your quote that indicates that Rudy Giuliani had anything bad to say about the “Vagina Monlogues.” b) Is the “Vagina Monlogues” taxpayer-supported? There is a difference between saying that offensive art shouldn’t be supported by the public dollar and between saying it shouldn’t exist. Chaim Mattis Keller ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2000, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/32 "2000-04-28T20:46:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, it turns out that Donna Hanover, Rudolph Giuliani’s wife, is going to perform in an off-Broadway version of “The Vagina Monologues”! I hope Mr. Giuliani will be out picketing the theatre. I’m no fan of Der Mayor, but let’s be fair. What Giuliani was (improperly and irrationally, for a public official) objecting to in the Brooklyn case was the display of what he found to be offensive _in a place that takes public funds_. It is not hypocritical for him to fail to object to a privately funded display that he might find offensive, as with the Whitney “Giuliani=Nazi” show earlier this year. Oh, and "The Vagina Monologues isn’t offensive, either. It’s actually pretty good, in a hit-you-over-the-head-with-the-point kind of way. But it’s likely not Giuliani’s bag (heh). He’s more a of “big production” kind of guy. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2000, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/33 "2000-04-29T15:05:57Z")
cmkeller, manhattan, your points are well taken. I thought the situation was humorous for the following reasons: a) Mr. Giuliani’s attempt to close down the “Sensation” exhibit in Brooklyn was for reasons of “morality”, i.e. this show is offensive, not because he objects to public funding of the arts per se. One of the main objets d’art under discussion was a painting of the Virgin Mary that had small photographs of _vaginas_ affixed to it. b) His wife is currently appearing in a show that has _vagina_ in the title. I’ll take your word for it, manhattan, that it’s a run-of-the-mill show, but in several articles that mention the play I see the title preceded by the word “controversial.” c) The main humor came, in my view, from a commentator portraying Hillary Clinton’s friendship with the author of “The Vagina Monologues” as a sign of her immorality. So what does it say that Richard Giuliani’s wife appears in the theatrical production? I suppose my comment was unfair to Mr. Giuliani, but I probably won’t lose much sleep over that. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/34 "2000-05-02T18:22:53Z")
I read on the AP Newswire that Giuliani’s wife, Donna Hanover, has withdrawn from her role in the Off-Broadway show “The Vagina Monologues.” I can only hope one of the NY tabs will have the headline tomorrow, “DONNA PULLS OUT OF VAGINA!” ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/35 "2000-05-02T18:24:19Z")
I read on the AP Newswire that Giuliani’s wife, Donna Hanover, has withdrawn from her role in the Off-Broadway show “The Vagina Monologues.” I can only hope one of the NY tabs will have the headline tomorrow, “DONNA PULLS OUT OF VAGINA!” ---
**Author:** ![Odieman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a87d85/32.png) [@Odieman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odieman)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/36 "2000-05-02T20:22:03Z")
Re; Criminalizing homelessness. Look for the song"It Could Happen to You" by Blue Rodeo. The video features the people evicted from the building mentioned in the song. Keith ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/37 "2000-05-02T20:35:43Z")
Did the people being evicted have a right to be there? I don’t mean an imagined, idealistic “everyone has the right to…” right, I mean an actual legal right, e.g., agreement by the owner of said building for them to reside there. Next question: were the evicted people guilty of a crime? Or did they at least have warrants out for their arrests? Violations of parole? A video of an eviction does not tell me that said evictors are “criminalizing the homeless.” Let’s try facts for a refreshing change. Chaim Mattis Keller ---
**Author:** ![egkelly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/db5fbb/32.png) [@egkelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/egkelly)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/38 "2000-05-02T20:41:50Z")
I am really afraid that Rudy’s announced illness will make the Witch Woman a shoe-in for the senate. This woman really scares me, I expect that she will start her senate career with a pardon for ex-president Bill! ---
**Author:** ![Flang\_Dang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e4f/32.png) [@Flang\_Dang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flang_Dang)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/39 "2000-05-02T22:15:19Z")
I love it when left-wingers, who so passionatly decry the right-wing for being hateful and intolerant, proudly display their own hate and intolerance. They so love to call people nazi and fascist and dance with glee at the death or suffering of those who don’t agree with them. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2000, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540/40 "2000-05-02T23:27:46Z")
Flang Dang, I think you might have misinterpreted the perceived jubilance in this thread. Have you ever seen a New Orleans jazz funeral? In a similar way, the left-wingers are showing their joy, because, despite death and suffering, life goes on and should be celebrated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/giuliani-has-cancer-not-a-gag/16540.md?page=1)