# Give it up LIB ER AL s **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816 "2010-07-24T06:12:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/21 "2010-07-24T08:28:52Z")
> [@lurking\_guest](#): > > Well aren’t you just the arbiter of coherency and ‘Teabaggerness’ … > > Can’t you THINK? We can (well, most of us, at least), however, we don’t think quite the same way you do. The problem is that to you, the words you write are imbued with lots and lots of additional information – meanings, associations, memories etc. --, while to the rest of us, they’re just the bare words. You try to convey the subtext you sense or feel using various means of conveying emphasis, an impact that to you, the words have, but to us, they lack: capitalization, ellipses, unconventional structuring; all those extra-textual elements you apply to try and convey some meaning the bare words themselves don’t include. However, it evidently doesn’t work too well; but the problem isn’t that we do a poor job at decoding your messages, it’s that you fail to translate the inner, subjective richness your arguments have to you into an objectively communicable form. It’s like with Louis Wain: where the rest of the world just saw a couple of plain old cats, he saw [this](http://pds11.egloos.com/pds/200905/17/58/c0029158_4a0f16edd560e.jpg); where you see a cogent argument, we see [this](http://www.timecube.com/). The thing is that, objectively, Wain’s cats just _were_ plain old ones; and similarly, your argument may not have objectively communicable content – and in its present form, it is impossible for us to judge whether or not it does. So, if you want us to discuss your position, you need to make an effort to get across everything you wish to express without feeling the need to tack on extra structure to communicate hidden subtexts, which is impossible for us to accurately decipher; put everything in plain text, and if you are satisfied that it includes everything you wish to communicate, if you don’t feel the need to add on any extraneous formatting, capitalization, ellipses and the like, _then_ try submitting it for discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/22 "2010-07-24T08:30:08Z")
> [@lurking\_guest](#): > > Can’t you respond to a political question (search, dear heart) BEFORE you relish trashing the questioner? > > Answer the substance of my post FIRST - and then trash me, if you must. There is neither a question nor substance in your post. Whatsoever. All I see (and anyone else sees, if you would at least _try_ to comprehend all the replies you are getting) is a long scrawl of insane, incoherent ramblings with no logic, reason, data, or rationality whatsoever. You’ll find this is a board for people who respect those things. It is not the place for you. The place for you has thick, padded walls and lots of medicine. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/23 "2010-07-24T08:36:10Z")
> [@lurking\_guest](#): > > The People of the world have more in common with one another than the privileged “TOP” ten percent of the world. > > No matter the geographical area, the Government, the Economic philosophy or your own Political leanings. > > Now what? I’ve got it! **Communism!** Anytime. I’m here all day. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/24 "2010-07-24T09:44:51Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > So once again, you have posted a bunch of incoherent nonsense and when you are called on by every subsequent poster you blame everyone else for their inability to decode your gibberish. Ha…his post didn’t even qualify as gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/25 "2010-07-24T10:30:24Z")
> [@lurking\_guest](#): > > WHAT SHALL WE DO?? > > The People of the world have more in common with one another than the privileged “TOP” ten percent of the world. > > No matter the geographical area, the Government, the Economic philosophy or your own Political leanings. > > Now what? Well, thanks to your previous thread I learned I’m in the top ten percent of the world – so I guess I’ll just keep on keeping on. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/26 "2010-07-24T11:08:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can I be the arbiter of the Canadian way? How would the world have been different if Kal-El had landed in Alberta? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/27 "2010-07-24T11:11:20Z")
On a note possibly related to the OP, today is National Tequila Day. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/28 "2010-07-24T11:28:53Z")
Another successful **lurking guest** free mouse wheel test. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/29 "2010-07-24T11:46:06Z")
Except for his pro-choicey stance, Bill Clinton wasn’t too bad a President at all. It hurts to say that he & Gingrich together got the country on solid financial grouds. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/30 "2010-07-24T12:01:47Z")
Never mind them. You showed the LIB ER ALS, you did! ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/31 "2010-07-24T12:12:30Z")
Waaaah! Waaaah! The world is a big meanie and I can’t take it! Waaah! ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/32 "2010-07-24T12:13:33Z")
[QUOTE=zoid] So once again, you have posted a bunch of incoherent nonsense and when you are called on by every subsequent poster you blame everyone else for their inability to decode your gibberish. [/QUOTE] But it’s Authentic _Teabagger_ Gibberish! ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/33 "2010-07-24T12:19:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can I be the arbiter of the Canadian way? Sure. Go for it. Keep us informed. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/34 "2010-07-24T14:38:10Z")
This guy starts the same OP all over the place repeatedly. Feel free to disregard. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/35 "2010-07-24T14:43:26Z")
If only they enforced the leash laws. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/36 "2010-07-24T14:48:10Z")
Meens? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/37 "2010-07-24T14:49:05Z")
**Lurking Guest** , several posters have pointed out that your OP seems to be mostly gibberish. I understand if this upsets you, but the fact is, by pretty much any definition, a large proportion of your post IS gibberish. Here are just a few examples out of many: [Quote=Lurking Guest] Hank Paulsen, Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Alan Greenspan… (GULP…the Bush and Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney ‘takes’ on Gitmo, and Iraq and Israel and Wall Street),…well.. [/Quote] This sentence is little more than a string of names and locations, with no clue what their relationship to each other is supposed to be. > [@](#): > > These fellas ‘know’ one another…they ‘connect’ with one another…they ‘talk’ of the ‘lower classes’ who keep working and working and working and producing… Why are the words know, connect, talk and lower classes in the above sentence in quotes? Are you saying that the persons you are referring to (presumably a series of former US presidents mentioned earlier in the post) do not in fact know each other, connect with each other or talk about lower classes? What is the point of such a statement? What’s with all the ellipses, rather than ending sentences with periods, as is standard for written English? > [@](#): > > Every major Leader on the World Stage is LAUGHING at the poor billions of their fellow human beings who continue to labor and hope and dream that their work and effort will change the lives of their children… This at least makes a coherent statement of some kind. The problem is, you present no evidence whatever that ‘every major Leader’ is laughing at the poor, or why this might be so. Presumably you are trying to present a convincing argument of some kind. Don’t you think you should support your argument with at least one verifiable fact? > [@](#): > > BP, Haliburton, Blackhawk, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, George Bush, The Princes of Saud, the Columbia War Lords… ALL laugh at us. This seems to be a habit of yours. Merely reciting a list of names of individuals and groups you don’t like, with a vague assertion that you have entirely made up, does not a logical argument make. As others have said, if you have a political statement you you want to make, just fucking say it already, without all the pointless filigree. If you are unwilling or unable to do so, then for fucks sake please stop cluttering up the board with this crap. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/38 "2010-07-24T15:14:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > As others have said, if you have a political statement you you want to make, just fucking say it already. I’ll take a stab at it, since I don’t have anything better to do at the moment. As a human being, I want to better my situation. > [@](#): > > We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. But there are forces working against these ‘unalienable rights’. Here is a list of individuals who are actively thwarting the endeavours of The People: [insert list of names]. These ‘world leaders’ do not care about The People. They only see us as pawns to move around on the game board of the world to A) increase their own power and fortune, and B) to laugh at, based on the premise that comedy occurs when something bad happens to someone else. We The People only want to live their lives as we see fit. But we are not allowed to. If we make money, the Powerful steal it from us. When we simply try to impose our world view, which is, after all, the only right and proper one as God intended, we are ridiculed or worse. We are not in the ‘club’. We will never be allowed in the ‘club’. No matter what we do or how much we try, these World Villains will put every obstacle in our path for their own enrichment and amusement. ‘See the little monkey? It’s wearing a suit! Isn’t that precious? Well, as long as he doesn’t get to uppity we can keep him around for laughs.’ Is that about it? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/39 "2010-07-24T15:25:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can I be the arbiter of the Canadian way? Can I be the arbiter of Canada Dry. I likes me some ginger ale. with whiskey in it ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816/40 "2010-07-24T15:29:58Z")
Aside frim the jokes and the general incoherent rambling nature of the first post I got one thing out of it It’s more about money than it is poltical philosophy. Most Politicians on both sides of the aisle will sell the American public down the river to protect thier own financial interests and future. With that in mind why is the title “give it up liberals”? Both liberals and conservatives are getting screwed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-it-up-lib-er-al-s/547816.md?page=3)