# Give me your 9/11 conspiracy theories! And/or their debunking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 20, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041 "2009-05-20T03:24:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/101 "2009-05-22T17:19:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Somebody else pointed out that your source probably invented the story about finding the black boxes to sell a book. I think it’s possible the FBI has the black boxes, and if they kept it quiet, I think that’s wrong but also not proof of any other plot. They’ve done too much to this country in the name of 9/11 for it to be alright that the definitive EVIDENCE, not interpretation, theory or supposition of what happened on those planes is either being secreted away or has never been found. If they’ve never been found, why the hell isn’t someone STILL looking for them. > [@Marley23](#): > > SoI don’t know. How many times have jetliners hit skycrapers in recent memory? Perhaps you should look into it, since you’re the one who thinks it means something. > > Again, I point out that you haven’t discussed how the demolition was set up. For that matter you didn’t address the comments about Bellone. So you think the black boxes not being found has something to do with the fact that the planes crashed into skyscrapers? I googled “plane hits building” and got 246,000 hits. I googled “airplane black box not found” and got 274,000 hits. I’m now at page 10. _ **Not one** _ hit actually talks about a case of one not being found without the qualifier “as yet.” I don’t know how the demolition was set up. I also don’t know if you’ve ever had a job before but most people go to their cubicle and other specific places that pertain to their job at work. At no point during the day would like the average person get up and go have a look around the building to see what is going on. My point in cutting and pasting that article was to bring up the fact that NOBODY knows whether or not the black boxes have been found. Not to segue into an examination of Bellone’s character. I don’t give a fuck if he’s writing a book or not. I’m not going to buy it. None of these questions matter to you? You know what you saw on television and that’s enough. Maybe you’re just not a suspicious type of person and after I’ve killed my husband in some gruesome fashion, I’d love to have you on my jury. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/102 "2009-05-22T17:19:24Z")
And I still think the alien mutant chipmunk theory has not been debunked, making it at least as viable as the controlled demolitions one (which has been)… -XT ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/103 "2009-05-22T17:25:32Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Actually I think that not finding the ‘black box’, or finding it but it being so damaged that it’s unusable happens fairly often. Remember…the plane hit a building at several hundred miles an hour, then burned uncontrollably for a period of time (usually when they hit the ground there are fire fighters at hand…also, since they generally hit the GROUND there aren’t a lot of other fuel sources about to maintain the fire, or to concentrate the fuel in a small area. Like, say, a building), and then the building collapsed. Is it REALLY that hard to understand how the black boxes could have been lost, destroyed or so damaged as to be unusable? I get the impression that some folks think these black boxes are indestructible…they aren’t. > > -XT Box made of titanium in a plane crashes into a building that fell into its own footprint. All the debris is removed _post haste_. Box not found eight years later. :dubious:I remember seeing on TV a documentary about them finding a black box buried underwater years after a crash by following the ping it gives off. That random plane was more important than BOTH planes that hit the towers and not only haven’t they been found but heck is the point of looking for them? Or maybe…the scorching heat from the jet fuel burning melted them like it did the steel building core and supports.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/104 "2009-05-22T17:25:53Z")
On the [Black Boxes](http://www.911myths.com/index.php/The_Black_Boxes): > [@](#): > > The Black Box and the Indestructible Passport: All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions…yet one of the hijackers’ passports supposedly survived fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers. > [@](#): > > In reality “all four black boxes” are not “supposedly destroyed”. The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below). > > How could even three black boxes be destroyed? These were exceptional crashes: most impacts will be at far lower speeds as the pilot attempts to limit damage, not into a mass of steel columns, and not ending inside a building where they’ll be exposed to fire and without (potentially, in the case of the WTC) enormous crush damage from many floors of a building falling onto them. > > The potential end result of this trauma was revealed in a photo of the American Airlines Flight 77 cockpit voice recorder, released at the Moussaoui trial. An article by [Cecil](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/909/if-aircraft-black-boxes-are-indestructible-why-cant-the-whole-plane-be-made-from-the-same-material) that doesn’t really talk about 9/11 but does talk about black boxes: > [@](#): > > Unlike the rest of the aircraft, which is mostly made of light materials such as aluminum and plastic, the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder are encased in stainless steel boxes roughly 10 inches by 10 inches by 5. The steel is maybe a quarter inch thick and the boxes are so heavy in consequence that the designers don’t even bother enclosing the accompanying electronics, which in a crash generally meet the same fate as the passengers. As an added precaution, the boxes are lined with a liquid-filled foam bladder encased in plastic that’s supposed to protect against the intense heat of a post-crash fire. > > Over the years these precautions have proven pretty effective. Investigators got useful data off one recorder that had been immersed in the ocean for seven years. But in another crash in Thailand the recorder landed in a pool of flaming fuel and basically got cooked. -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/105 "2009-05-22T17:27:49Z")
Next question, NYC\_Chic? It’s not like we haven’t done this for the last several years after all. It’s almost like a dance… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/106 "2009-05-22T17:28:04Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > They’ve done too much to this country in the name of 9/11 for it to be alright that the definitive EVIDENCE, not interpretation, theory or supposition of what happened on those planes is either being secreted away or has never been found. If they’ve never been found, why the hell isn’t someone STILL looking for them. > > So you think the black boxes not being found has something to do with the fact that the planes crashed into skyscrapers? I googled “plane hits building” and got 246,000 hits. I googled “airplane black box not found” and got 274,000 hits. I’m now at page 10. _ **Not one** _ hit actually talks about a case of one not being found without the qualifier “as yet.” > > I don’t know how the demolition was set up. I also don’t know if you’ve ever had a job before but most people go to their cubicle and other specific places that pertain to their job at work. At no point during the day would like the average person get up and go have a look around the building to see what is going on. > > My point in cutting and pasting that article was to bring up the fact that NOBODY knows whether or not the black boxes have been found. Not to segue into an examination of Bellone’s character. I don’t give a fuck if he’s writing a book or not. I’m not going to buy it. > > None of these questions matter to you? You know what you saw on television and that’s enough. Maybe you’re just not a suspicious type of person and after I’ve killed my husband in some gruesome fashion, I’d love to have you on my jury. Typical. You latch on to the one thing in this thread that you think supports you and ignore the rest. Ignore the fact that your source who claims to have seen the black box has been totally discredited. Ignore the fact the the recorders are not made from some magical substance and can be destroyed just like anything else on the plane. What do you think is on it? You think it will prove that the planes didn’t bring down the towers? How? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/107 "2009-05-22T17:39:51Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > Even now, almost 8 years later, traffic circles in such a way that you can’t even tell how much of that area you don’t have access to. I used to take the PATH into work and except what you needed to use to get onto the train, you don’t have access to that area. There was no reason therefore to “get rid of” anything or to put the call out immediately so by the next morning, the area was flooded with cleanup workers. And it was the NEXT morning. They started shipping off the steel the NEXT day. Even when the fire chief was protesting a week later that a three day walk thru was not thorough enough an investigation, Guiliani did not stop shipping it out. So…as we all know, the government can’t do anything efficiently or well, but when the government DOES act with incredible efficiency, well, it has GOT to be because of an absurdly complex conspiracy? Huh. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/108 "2009-05-22T18:01:37Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Try to follow the logic here: > > 1. Assume that the goals of the conspiracy were to > …a) destroy the buildings > …b) start a war in the Middle East > …c) use Muslim terrorist hijackers as a scapegoat Of course, one wonders why one of the conspirators didn’t point out, “If our goal is to start a war in the Middle East, shouldn’t we avoid creating a situation where we pretty much have to go to war in Afghanistan first? Also, why are we making all the hijackers Saudis, when we don’t want to go to war with Saudi Arabia? Couldn’t we stick at least one Iraqi on the damn planes? I mean, the way we’re going, we’ll need a whole 'nother excuse a couple of years down the line if we want to take out Saddam.” ETA: Just noticed: Fish and 42fish: coincidence or conspiracy? You be the judge! ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/109 "2009-05-22T18:28:18Z")
And furthermore, if the goal was to fake up a connection between the 9/11 hijackers and going to war in Iraq, _why didn’t the simply invent some evidence of it?_ Holy crap! I could have designed a conspiracy better than this. Just get out Microsoft Word and write a letter that says, “I, Saddam Hussein, authorize you, Osama bin Laden, to blow up shit in the United States. Long live the glorious God, down with Satan America.” Easy. And yet, and yet _there’s no evidence for the connection._ Despite the massive alleged conspiracy, secretly planting bombs to blow up the WTC, concealing the evidence, planting the Indestructible Passports, hiding the black boxes, coordinating thousands of people and billions of dollars, _there’s no smoking gun._ I mean, what the fuck. The most basic element of the conspiracy got lost in the shuffle? No way. ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/110 "2009-05-22T18:32:28Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Try to follow the logic here: > > 1. Assume that the goals of the conspiracy were to > …a) destroy the buildings > …b) start a war in the Middle East > …c) use Muslim terrorist hijackers as a scapegoat > 2. Assume that a plane is not powerful enough to destroy the WTC. > 3. Therefore, assuming 2 is true, then something else destroyed the WTC. > 4. The WTC destruction has been compared to a controlled demolition; let us assume that the WTC was destroyed in this fashion. > 5. Therefore, the conspiracy set out to > …a) rig the buildings with explosives, at great cost and in secret, Seymour Hersch just said that the Bush Administration had an assassination squad. I heard it talked about one day on cable, never heard of it again. How many people would have had to be involved in something like that? At what cost? How could something like this be done in secret? > [@Fish](#): > > …b[sub]1[/sub]) coordinate the explosives precisely with real airplanes, or > …b[sub]2[/sub]) create false eyewitness accounts and special-effects footage showing airplanes hitting the tower; _kidnap all eyewitnesses who claim there was no airplane; seize every camera in New York City that was aimed even vaguely in the direction of the WTC,_ Where did that come from? There’s plenty of footage of 9/11. :rolleyes: You lost me. QUOTE=Fish;11168578]…c) comb through millions of tons of wreckage disposing of, covering up, destroying, or concealing evidence of step 5a, [/QUOTE] What did happen to the evidence then? The plane reconstruction, testing the steel, the blueprints of the building even - what happened to all of it? > [@Fish](#): > > …d) coerce, bribe, convince, or brainwash thousands of people in the media to pretend that 1c is true, By showing them what happens to Truthers and putting them on notice that: “You’re either with us or against us…” Maybe I’m the only one that remembers America circa 2002, 2003 and the craven cowardice and idiotic complacency of the media. > [@Fish](#): > > …e) suppress all evidence and discussion that the WTC was not destroyed by airplanes **and yet they haven’t come for you.** Hilarious! We’re having a discussion about that right now and similar discussions are all over the internet. All over the internet following the same pattern. Someone expresses disbelief in the official line. Some Poetry Hound type with the freedom to sit at a computer all day and rebut every single nonbeliever immediately starts calling them silly, delusional, crazy, paranoid or part of the “Blame America First” crowd. Invariably, someone else throws in “You’re disrespecting the victims by even saying you don’t believe what the govt said!” How do you know they haven’t come for me? Are you telling me I’m the one person in all of America that can’t be traced by ISP number back to an internet service provider who used my name and social security number to set up my account? And that because I haven’t had a garbage bag thrown over my head and gotten thrown into a van and disappeared then the govt hasn’t “done anything” to me? I think there are many many many levels of coming for someone. > [@Fish](#): > > Doesn’t that sound much more complicated than it needs to be? Doesn’t it sound like it would have to involve billions of dollars, thousands of people, and have a high probability of discovery? No. Not at all. My theory is that this was a military grade operation and the people who did this KNOW how to do this type of thing. There’s a very low probability because people are conditioned to think along a certain line. Theres a bunch of videos on Youtube of people who were there saying they heard explosions, they saw the weird things, they heard things, whatever. There’s pilots, architects, engineers, scholars, etc saying the official story is garbage. Actual people who know about this type of shit and would actually know what does and doesn’t make sense. There are videos of other buildings burning, other buildings hit by planes, other building brought down by controlled demolitions. The Average Person dismisses them. People have been trained to think on a sixth grade level and they not only lack curiosity, they’re scared of thinking outside of the box unless its sexually or in another way that society encourages. > [@Fish](#): > > If your ultra-rich, super-intelligent, vast secret conspiracy was sitting around the table proposing the first version, surely somebody said, “Hold it, guys, let’s just say they **bombed** the Towers. That’s a shitload easier to pull off, and safer too.” “But what about the shock and awe? What about the hearts and minds of the American people? We need to give them something to believe in. They need an arc! They need action, adventure, romance and intrigue. But keep it under two and a half hours. They’ve got very short attention spans.” Someone else said. ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/111 "2009-05-22T18:34:59Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > So…as we all know, the government can’t do anything efficiently or well, but when the government DOES act with incredible efficiency, well, it has GOT to be because of an absurdly complex conspiracy? > > Huh. > > -Joe I don’t know where you got the idea that I believe the government doesn’t do anything efficiently or well. The government does what it sets out to do EXTREMELY well. They control vast numbers of people, money, and arms. All of that takes planning, strategy and efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/112 "2009-05-22T18:35:37Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > No. Not at all. Occam’s Razor. Ever hear of it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/113 "2009-05-22T18:49:32Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > How do you know they haven’t come for me? Are you telling me I’m the one person in all of America that can’t be traced by ISP number back to an internet service provider who used my name and social security number to set up my account? And that because I haven’t had a garbage bag thrown over my head and gotten thrown into a van and disappeared then the govt hasn’t “done anything” to me? I think there are many many many levels of coming for someone. So, in what way has the government “come for you?” > [@](#): > > No. Not at all. My theory is that this was a military grade operation and the people who did this KNOW how to do this type of thing. There’s a very low probability because people are conditioned to think along a certain line. Theres a bunch of videos on Youtube of people who were there saying they heard explosions, they saw the weird things, they heard things, whatever. There’s pilots, architects, engineers, scholars, etc saying the official story is garbage. Actual people who know about this type of shit and would actually know what does and doesn’t make sense. There are videos of other buildings burning, other buildings hit by planes, other building brought down by controlled demolitions. The Average Person dismisses them. People have been trained to think on a sixth grade level and they not only lack curiosity, they’re scared of thinking outside of the box unless its sexually or in another way that society encourages. And what makes you so special, that you can see through all the bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/114 "2009-05-22T18:57:56Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Yup, [Tower 7](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center) did collapse. And it’s not exactly a [mystery](http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5) as to why… > > -XT Reread that and then watch the video of Tower 7 sliding down into its own footprint. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Nj487RNAi14/hqdefault.jpg "wtc tower 7 high resolution collapse footage: clip 2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj487RNAi14) And explain why it buckled into the center and didn’t topple over to the weak side that was allegedly missing 10 stories. I was watching the coverage of 9/11 all day. I saw the coverage of when WTC7 fell. They NEVER mentioned any 10 story crater. Google dailynews and new york post stories about it and you won’t find any mention till Nov 2008 when this explanation debuted. Also, do you know that was Guiliani’s bunker? And that it wasn’t evacuated until way later that afternoon? I think the 9/11 timeline says they left there at two-ish. ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/115 "2009-05-22T19:03:23Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Huh? Hundreds if not thousands of people have been through there. Its now a construction site. It is not a public area. What do you expect to find? > > How about rebuting some of the answers you were given? Giant holes have been shot through your “theory”. You have not answered to any of them. I don’t think you have the ability. Please list the giant holes. Also, keep up. 😛 He said the evidence had to be cleared away because IT IS A PUBLIC AREA and that businesses and residents had to come back quickly. I said to him it’s STILL cordoned off and that is proof that there was no need to rush through an investigation because eight years later there’s STILL NO PUBLIC ACCESS to it. What do I expect to find? The black boxes for one. ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/116 "2009-05-22T19:11:27Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Another [cite](http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm) on Tower 7 (with a nice picture of the debris pattern). > > Some interesting photos there too…for those will actually click the link and take a look. > > -XT “As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7.” LMAO. My favorite clip on the page is the youtube video right above the drawing. It says the tower took 100 seconds to fall. Then it shows a video of a mechanical tower \*\*at the top of the building falling first \*\*which makes NO SENSE if the progressive collapse was caused by damage to ten stories at the bottom of the building. Did anybody see the towers “peel open”? Can they send me a link to that footage? ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/117 "2009-05-22T19:14:20Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Next question, NYC\_Chic? It’s not like we haven’t done this for the last several years after all. It’s almost like a dance… > > -XT Poetry Hound? You old fiend. I \*thought \*it was you! ---
**Author:** ![NYC\_Chic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@NYC\_Chic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYC_Chic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/118 "2009-05-22T19:25:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Typical. You latch on to the one thing in this thread that you think supports you and ignore the rest. Ignore the fact that your source who claims to have seen the black box has been totally discredited. Ignore the fact the the recorders are not made from some magical substance and can be destroyed just like anything else on the plane. What do you think is on it? You think it will prove that the planes didn’t bring down the towers? How? Loach. :rolleyes: He’s been discredited. Now _that’s_ typical. His being discredited thusly explains away that the black boxes have never been found. 😉 Ignore the fact that they were made from titanium and the towers were less than a mile high. And that the rubbish has been cleared away but no black boxes have been produced. Let’s focus instead on the man who said he was there when the boxes were found and the fact that he’s writing a book, which is proof in and of itself that he is evil. The boxes have been found. What’s on them might need “debunking” though:D. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/119 "2009-05-22T19:31:00Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > He’s been discredited. Now _that’s_ typical. His being discredited thusly explains away that the black boxes have never been found. 😉 > > Ignore the fact that they were made from titanium and the towers were less than a mile high. And that the rubbish has been cleared away but no black boxes have been produced. You continually oversimplify things, like the fact that the boxes were part of planes that crashed into buildings at high speed and were then trapped in fires that burned for hours before the buildings collapsed on them. That wouldn’t explain anything. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041/120 "2009-05-22T19:47:12Z")
> [@NYC\_Chic](#): > > The boxes have been found. What’s on them might need “debunking” though:D. Why would what’s on the black boxes need to be suppressed anyway? Maybe it’s just a failure of imagination on my part, but I don’t see how the black boxes are going to record much of anything beyond “The plane I’m in just hit a large object and now I’m in the middle of a fire.” And I don’t see how the black boxes would prove that a controlled demolition was done to bring down the Towers. Please enlighten me on this. Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-9-11-conspiracy-theories-and-or-their-debunking/497041.md?page=7)