# Give me your crazy movie theories **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 8, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298 "2014-01-08T19:05:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/61 "2014-01-13T22:41:12Z")
I hate the idea that Deckard is a replicant, because it ruins the movie. Roy is a replicant on the verge of becoming a human being. Deckard is a human being on the verge of becoming a machine. It’s, like, symmetry dude. If Deckard is a replicant then what’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/62 "2014-01-13T23:16:46Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I am firmly convinced Jerry, Elaine, Kramer, and George died in a plane crash at the end of Seinfeld, and the trial and their sitting in a prison cell talking about nothing is their afterlife. And I think it is BRILLIANT, and richly deserved, if not worse - but as they were not actively malevolant, just self-centered - OK, spend eternity (purgatory?) together in that cell :p. I always thought that they should have been released due to the fact that bad things happen to anyone they get near. The best thing they could do for someone was to stay uninvolved. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/63 "2014-01-13T23:19:39Z")
Skyfall pretty much rules out any code name shenanigans for Mr. Bond. Unless they coincidentally happened to hire a guy named James Bond to take over the code name James Bond. (Yes, the Craig ones are a reboot or whatever, reboot shmeboot, James Bond is the character’s actual name his momma gave him). As for Terminator, I have this theory that the Matrix is actually the distant future of Terminator, after Skynet “wins”. This guy that Neo is supposedly the reincarnation of? John Connor. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/64 "2014-01-13T23:51:53Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I always thought that they should have been released due to the fact that bad things happen to anyone they get near. The best thing they could do for someone was to stay uninvolved. That’s my theory. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/65 "2014-01-14T00:36:47Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Skyfall pretty much rules out any code name shenanigans for Mr. Bond. Unless they coincidentally happened to hire a guy named James Bond to take over the code name James Bond. (Yes, the Craig ones are a reboot or whatever, reboot shmeboot, James Bond is the character’s actual name his momma gave him). > > As for Terminator, I have this theory that the Matrix is actually the distant future of Terminator, after Skynet “wins”. This guy that Neo is supposedly the reincarnation of? John Connor. Skyfall/Skynet. Craig is the original Bond, brought forward to take over from the last one that got killed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/66 "2014-01-14T01:15:28Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > I hate the idea that Deckard is a replicant, because it ruins the movie. Roy is a replicant on the verge of becoming a human being. Deckard is a human being on the verge of becoming a machine. It’s, like, symmetry dude. If Deckard is a replicant then what’s the point? Agreed. Ridley Scott is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/67 "2014-01-14T01:50:57Z")
A few pet theories of mine: The 1974 TV show of _Planet of the Apes_ takes place in the altered timeline established at the end of _Battle For the Planet of the Apes_, where the Lawgiver went on to preach equality rather than that humans were uniquely evil. In an alternate history, Britain was conquered and occupied by Nazi Germany for a period before being liberated by the Americans. Years later, an Oscar-winning movie dramatized the true story of a group of British women internees who hid a downed American flyer and with his help made a daring escape to freedom. _Chicken Run_ is the claymation parody of that movie. _The Andromeda Strain_ wasn’t a microbe as such; it was a nanomachine, and in the sequel that’s never been written we find out what it was programmed to do if it ever found the right environment. The Humungus in _The Road Warror_ was actually Max’s former partner, Jim “Goose” Rains who survived his severe burns. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/68 "2014-01-14T02:38:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > A > The Humungus in _The Road Warror_ was actually Max’s former partner, Jim “Goose” Rains who survived his severe burns. Through generous doses of steroids, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/69 "2014-01-14T05:42:27Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Agreed. Ridley Scott is wrong. Agreed, it also ruins the Rachel plot. No longer is Deckard learning to recognize the humanity of the people he was killing, and making a risky decision to run with one even if it leads to him getting killed. No now he is doing the only logical thing, hate the Deckard as replicant idea. My theory on Blade Runner? The replicants are biologically human beings, full stop. They are assembled in vats from human tissue, remember the eyes Hannibal Chew was making? Everyone calls them machines but that is just dehumanizing slang, they are as human as anyone which is why the only way to tell them apart is a psych test. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/70 "2014-01-14T05:56:05Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Another one from Cracked. > > Ferris Bueller’s Day Off takes place almost entirely in Cameron’s head. There is no Ferris Bueller. He is a fantasy made up by Cameron. Basically Ferris is what a lonely introverted depressed teen might think popular people are like: Doors open for them, everyone loves them, or at least thinks about them a lot, and they coast through life without too much effort. Cameron did skip scholl that day, but did nothing more but lie around and fantasize. Sloan probably does exist, but she’s just some girl Cameron dreams about but has said less than six words too. And you want proof? The strippergram. Who hired her? Not ferris, he wasn’t even going to be home. Certainly not his parents or sister. Not Cameron, who didn’t even want to go along with ferris. Definitely not Sloan. All the kids at school were eagerly raising money to Save Ferris, so they wouldn’t spend it on something like that. But if it’s all in Cameron’s head, then it makes sense as just the sort of thing that happens to the righteous dude that Cameron desperately wants to be. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/71 "2014-01-14T05:57:41Z")
> [@grude](#): > > My theory on Blade Runner? The replicants are biologically human beings, full stop. Isn’t that explicitly stated? It is in the novel. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/72 "2014-01-14T06:04:33Z")
Hold the phone … if Ferris only exists in Cameron’s head, how do we explain Ferris’ sister? I suppose we can explain away Ferris’ parents as the ideal that Cameron wish he had (as opposed to the narcissists he apparently does have for parents). Not to mention Charlie Sheen. Is Cameron secretly gay as well, and jonesing for some sweet, sweet, juvenile delinquent action? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/73 "2014-01-14T21:54:32Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Hold the phone … if Ferris only exists in Cameron’s head, how do we explain Ferris’ sister? I suppose we can explain away Ferris’ parents as the ideal that Cameron wish he had (as opposed to the narcissists he apparently does have for parents). Not to mention Charlie Sheen. Is Cameron secretly gay as well, and jonesing for some sweet, sweet, juvenile delinquent action? Maybe Cameron has a sister, and Jeannie is the version of her in his imagination. The one that he has a tough rivalry with, but who ultimately comes through for him. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/74 "2014-01-14T22:05:17Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Hold the phone … if Ferris only exists in Cameron’s head, how do we explain Ferris’ sister? I suppose we can explain away Ferris’ parents as the ideal that Cameron wish he had (as opposed to the narcissists he apparently does have for parents). Not to mention Charlie Sheen. Is Cameron secretly gay as well, and jonesing for some sweet, sweet, juvenile delinquent action? Yeah… the “Ferris is a figment of Cameron’s imagination” theory falls apart if you stop and think about it for even a few seconds. It’s fun to joke about, but it doesn’t even make a good alternate theory like “The Matrix is the far future of The Terminator world.” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/75 "2014-01-14T22:49:53Z")
All of Ferris Bueller’s Day Off took place in the Matrix. Ferris/Neo figured out some hacks to make his life fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/76 "2014-01-14T23:00:33Z")
Bladerunner and the Alien series (including Prometheus) take place in the same universe - the Weyland androids are not direct ancestors of the replicants that Deckard is hunting - they are a competing technology. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/77 "2014-01-15T00:10:54Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > All of Ferris Bueller’s Day Off took place in the Matrix. Ferris/Neo figured out some hacks to make his life fun. Oh man… what if all movies are really in the Matrix? You just blew my mind, mang. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/78 "2014-01-15T00:26:41Z")
Someone, somewhere went to sleep and dreamed us both alive. Dreams get pushed around a lot, I doubt if we’ll survive. We won’t get to wake up; dreams were born to disappear, And I’m quite sure that none of us are here. ---
**Author:** ![Sleel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Sleel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/79 "2014-01-15T04:20:43Z")
I like the Terminator/Matrix overlap theory. Some have proposed that Zion isn’t the Real World™ either, but a parallel simulation for those whose personalities didn’t fit into the Matrix simulation. Works for me. I’ve also seen the claim that earlier versions of the script had humans as an element of a massive processing network, providing creativity and a certain amount of randomness, not as power sources. Makes way more sense, but apparently movie execs r dum, so they were forced to change it. Re: Blade Runner; In Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, one of the classically Dickian themes was that of identity. Deckard isn’t sure his targets are androids. The only way to be sure is stated to be a bone marrow biopsy, which means that the androids are physiologically nearly indistinguishable from normal humans. The question of the interaction between memory and identity is also explicitly explored. At one point, DADoES Deckard is half convinced that he himself is an android and has been killing humans when he is arrested and taken to a police station. And in fact, the narrative is not entirely convincing as to reliability. We don’t know for sure that Deckard’s point of view is correct at any point in the story. It’s open to interpretation as to whether he was deluded the whole time, part of the time, or completely trustworthy from the beginning. Empathy was another theme that Dick returned to again and again, and while it was mentioned in the movie, it was largely unexplored apart from the Voight-Kampff test, which was a stand-in for the Mercer box in DADoES (which featured yet another Dickian repeat theme; the overlap between religion and mass culture). In the source material, by the end of the story Deckard’s status is still not entirely clear, and the status of the androids is even more ambiguous. It’s perfectly reasonable to suspect that Blade Runner’s Deckard is actually an android, even without the first-version script/edit flub or subsequent statements by people involved with the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298/80 "2014-01-15T13:22:00Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Bladerunner and the Alien series (including Prometheus) take place in the same universe - the Weyland androids are not direct ancestors of the replicants that Deckard is hunting - they are a competing technology. Mine is that _Aliens/Prometheus, Predator, Blade Runner_, and _The Terminator_ _all_ take place in the same universe (Skynet’s Judgement Day probably having been averted). Also, by a producer’s reuse of a certain fictional country in the script of Predator, possibly also _Die Hard,_ and _Commando_. And possibly _Speed_. There’s actually various bit of continuity nods that confirm this, explicitly (such as in crossovers) or otherwise—the _Prometheus/Blade Runner_ connection was apparently thought of being made outright, in one stage of the film’s development. To the point of having the company be “Weyland-Tyrell” and having (a) Roy Batty being among the eponymous ship’s security!—but there’s really one reason why I think I personally favor it…and it’s not for the possibility of crossovers. It’s for the idea that some of those really deep, often sensitive and insightful science fiction films take place in the same universe as complete adrenosterone infused, machine gun spraying action carnivals. That they’re both _completely_ opposed, yet somehow _completely equally valid_ ways of perceiving and interacting with _the same world_. It’s like seeing a deft little tissue section of existence itself, on a slide mount, really. 🙂 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-me-your-crazy-movie-theories/678298.md?page=5)