# Give up Obama! It's your only chance!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 24, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723 "2008-04-24T18:34:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/1 "2008-04-24T18:34:56Z")
Well, not his only chance but … He probably will get the nomination… the Dem powerbrokers don’t want to piss off the black vote. And he could win the general… but I doubt it. If he doesn’t win, it will be because he is revealed to be the liberal that he is rather than a moderate that he needs to be to win the election. If he doesn’t win he will never get another chance because he won’t be able to put the liberal genie back in the bottle. Plus he will have made permanent enemies out of the Clintons and much of their machine. What he needs to do is give the nomination to Hillary in exchange for VP. If they lose, he has it locked up in four years and will be able to run a campaign with all of the MSM on his side and no questions about his liberallness. If they win, he’s in the an even better position eight years from now. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/2 "2008-04-24T18:38:20Z")
What makes you think the Dem powerbrokers care enough about the total number of black folks, of which Democrat voters total less that 15% of electorate, to placate them by handing over the nomination only to guarantee losing in the general election (under your described scenario)? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/3 "2008-04-24T18:39:43Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] If he doesn’t win, it will be because he is revealed to be the liberal that he is rather than a moderate that he needs to be to win the election. [/QUOTE] He does not need to be a moderate to win the election. I just wish he could be made to understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/4 "2008-04-24T18:40:28Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] If he doesn’t win, it will be because he is revealed to be the liberal that he is rather than a moderate that he needs to be to win the election. [/quote] Liberal is not a bad word. > [@](#): > > Plus he will have made permanent enemies out of the Clintons and much of their machine. Oh lawsy! Do what he say, do what he saaay! Please. If the words of other Democrat politicians are anything to go by, the Clintons are squandering much of their political power over this campaign. If they really are to be so feared that making enemies of them is political suicide, Hillary will be able to convince the delegates at Denver to give her the nom anyway. If she can’t, then she pretty clearly doesn’t have the kind of leverage you imply she does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/5 "2008-04-24T18:43:01Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Please. If the words of other Democrat politicians are anything to go by, the Clintons are squandering much of their political power over this campaign. If they really are to be so feared that making enemies of them is political suicide, Hillary will be able to convince the delegates at Denver to give her the nom anyway. If she can’t, then she pretty clearly doesn’t have the kind of leverage you imply she does. [/QUOTE] Exactamundo. The OP, as written, is splendid display of flawed logic. What you commented on and this: > [@](#): > > What he needs to do is give the nomination to Hillary in exchange for VP. If they lose, he has it locked up in four years and will be able to run a campaign with all of the MSM on his side and no questions about his liberallness. The MSM isn’t painting him as a liberal now. The Republicans are. And they will paint any Democratic candidate that way. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/6 "2008-04-24T18:44:49Z")
> [@What the .... ?!?!](#): > > If they win, he’s in the an even better position eight years from now. yeah, like being vice-president to a Clinton was such a good career move for Al Gore… but seriously, why do people keep saying that Obama being Vice-President positions him well to be elected President? Since the passage of the Twelfth Amendment in 1804, there have been precisely two sitting Vice-Presidents elected straight to the Presidency: Van Buren in 1836, and Bush Sr. in 1988. Nixon, Humphries and Gore could tell you what an electoral advantage the Veep-ship is at election-time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/7 "2008-04-24T18:49:57Z")
[QUOTE=Northern Piper] …Humphries… [/QUOTE] There was more than one!!?? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![spazattak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@spazattak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazattak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/8 "2008-04-24T18:55:14Z")
Can you give an example of one of his scary liberal stances that will prevent him from being elected and explain why it will keep him from being elected? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/9 "2008-04-24T18:58:31Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] There was more than one!!?? 🙂 [/QUOTE] What NP was trying to say is he Got Served in the election. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/10 "2008-04-24T19:01:28Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The MSM isn’t painting him as a liberal now. The Republicans are. And they will paint any Democratic candidate that way. [/QUOTE] Republicans don’t exactly have their finger on the American pulse these days, either. They got trounced two years ago, their guy is the least admired President in history, and this election was going to be about one thing and one thing only - immigration. I’m not too concerned with what Republicans think. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/11 "2008-04-24T19:02:09Z")
See - that’s how significant being Veep is - I can’t even remember his damn name! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/12 "2008-04-24T19:15:26Z")
It’s gonna be a lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ong goddamned election, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/13 "2008-04-24T19:20:12Z")
“Gonna be”? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/14 "2008-04-24T19:46:00Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] He does not need to be a moderate to win the election. I just wish he could be made to understand that. [/QUOTE] So you’d agree that he’s not showing his true liberal colors? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/15 "2008-04-24T19:46:37Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] **Give up Obama! It’s your only chance!!** [/QUOTE] Can’t you just **smell** the fear? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![spazattak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@spazattak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazattak)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/16 "2008-04-24T20:08:57Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] So you’d agree that he’s not showing his true liberal colors? [/QUOTE] would you mind clarifying? Perhaps in the mold of answering my questions from above. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/17 "2008-04-24T20:11:36Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] What makes you think the Dem powerbrokers care enough about the total number of black folks, of which Democrat voters total less that 15% of electorate, to placate them by handing over the nomination only to guarantee losing in the general election (under your described scenario)? [/QUOTE] Also, do you care to answer this? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/18 "2008-04-24T22:19:32Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The MSM isn’t painting him as a liberal now. The Republicans are. And they will paint any Democratic candidate that way. [/QUOTE] Have they declared him ‘the most liberal Senator in the Senate’ yet? Cuz I want my cookie. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/19 "2008-04-24T22:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] What he needs to do is give the nomination to Hillary in exchange for VP. If they lose, he has it locked up in four years and will be able to run a campaign with all of the MSM on his side and no questions about his liberallness. [/QUOTE] I disagree with this reasoning: Being the VP candidate for a failed presidential ticket has been no boon for Edwards. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723/20 "2008-04-24T22:57:07Z")
Nor for Joe Lieberman in 2000, Jack Kemp in 1996, or Dan Quayle in 1992. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-obama-its-your-only-chance/446723.md?page=2)