# Give up, Pubbies, and Change the Game...

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-pubbies-and-change-the-game/581043>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 7, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-pubbies-and-change-the-game/581043 "2011-05-07T01:55:09Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 2\
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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-pubbies-and-change-the-game/581043/61 "2011-05-12T20:24:23Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> This is functionally the same as saying that we are not going to do anything about the deficit until we are bankrupt.
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> and this -  
> is functionally the same as saying we will never address entitlements spending.
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> Regards,  
> Shodan

Entitlement spending is a long-term problem and needs to be dealt with, but do you think the sudden rash of deficits over the last few years was due to the introduction of new entitlement spending? The economy got wrecked, a wrecked economy means less revenue, and that’s the main source of the huge deficits. Most of the new spending was an attempt to keep the economy from spiralling even worse. Fixing the economy will solve the bulk of the current deficit crisis. To act as if we must act RIGHT NOW to eliminate the deficit is to assume that now is the new normal, and we’ll never recover to our previous level of economic activity.

It’s interesting that the only discussion of where to make cuts are to democratic initiatives - the union busting in wisconsin only targeted democratic-leaning unions, no one will talk about military spending, etc. So essentially the situation is - the republicans wreck the economy, and then say oh shit we don’t have any money, we’re gonna have to kill democratic programs! Double whammy of awesome.

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/give-up-pubbies-and-change-the-game/581043/62 "2011-05-12T20:37:04Z")

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> **[John Ensign Lied To FEC, Violated Campaign Finance Laws, Obstructed...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-ensign-lied-to-fec-o_n_861202)**
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> John Ensign Lied To FEC, Violated Campaign Finance Laws, Obstructed Investigation: Senate Ethics Panel

Here is a typical Repub charged with multiple misuses of political power. Ensign was a proud Republican telling the poor about values and how they should live their lives.  
He is what entitlement stand for.  
Do you people actually believe that cutting taxes while while waging 2 wars did not cause the deficits? Want to get it back to the level Clinton had it? Easy, put corporate taxes back into place, remove tax cuts for the rich and get the hell out of the war business.  
We have to raise revenue.

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