# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/441 "2011-02-25T20:25:52Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I found your claim and you voting stance to be null tells, but it’s posts like these that make me think you are Scum. Of all the things said in the 40 posts since \*\*MentalGuy’s \*\*vote, this was the only thing you found worthy of comment? You felt the most important thing for you to say was to point out that my \*joke \*was not quite solidly based in actual fact? especially since **astral** even stated that it could be construed as a defensive vote. see, but that’s what’s good about **pleo**. not only can he educate us on how to play correctly but he can tell us what we were actually thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/442 "2011-02-25T20:28:28Z")
As it stands now, I see absolutely no reason why \*\*Pleonast \*\*doesn’t vote for **MentalGuy** , for exactly the same reason that 5 other people have already done so, thus breaking the existing tie (and not violating his own ‘anti-self-preservation-vote’ policy). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/443 "2011-02-25T20:29:08Z")
ok, that was snarky and unnecessary on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/444 "2011-02-25T20:31:09Z")
Ah, to Hell with it… **unvote Mahaloth vote Pleonast** I have no idea whether \*\*MentalGuy \*\*is Scum or Town (or other), but everything that \*\*Pleonast \*\*says lately makes me think he’s Scum. And everything that he \*doesn’t \*say has the same effect. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/445 "2011-02-25T20:33:49Z")
If **MentalGuy** ultimately flips scum and **Pleo** doesn’t, that vote might not look super-great for you, **Suburban**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/446 "2011-02-25T20:36:11Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I found your claim and you voting stance to be null tells, but it’s posts like these that make me think you are Scum. Of all the things said in the 40 posts since \*\*MentalGuy’s \*\*vote, this was the only thing you found worthy of comment? You felt the most important thing for you to say was to point out that my \*joke \*was not quite solidly based in actual fact? I didn’t realize your comment was a joke, and since it’s repeating a common meme, I thought is worth pointing out how it was wrong. **MentalGuy** ’s vote is another anti-town vote on me. :shrug: Join the line. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > As it stands now, I see absolutely no reason why \*\*Pleonast \*\*doesn’t vote for **MentalGuy** , for exactly the same reason that 5 other people have already done so, thus breaking the existing tie (and not violating his own ‘anti-self-preservation-vote’ policy). Yeah, I could, but then some number of players are likely to switch back to me claiming gotcha. More anti-votes. I’m happy voting for the player I find most suspicious rather than a player I find somewhat suspicious. I’ll also note that **ped** has not returned. Their contributions this game consist mostly of jabbing me and then placing a vote for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/447 "2011-02-25T20:38:30Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > If **MentalGuy** ultimately flips scum and **Pleo** doesn’t, that vote might not look super-great for you, **Suburban**. 🙂 OK…what’s your point? If \*\*Pleonast \*\*does flip Scum, then I look great. But for all I know, \*\*Pleonast \*\*is Scum, I’m going to get him lynched today, and then Tonight I’ll find out I’m a Sleeper and get recruited. Wouldn’t \*that \*be awkward! I’m not particularly worried about how I might look in the future should certain people wind up with certain alignments. I’m trying to lynch the person who I feel is most likely to be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/448 "2011-02-25T20:39:05Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I have no idea whether \*\*MentalGuy \*\*is Scum or Town (or other), but everything that \*\*Pleonast \*\*says lately makes me think he’s Scum. And everything that he \*doesn’t \*say has the same effect. Sometimes I can’t win no matter what I do. 😃 (See the smiley? It indicates a joke.) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/449 "2011-02-25T20:40:52Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Tonight I’ll find out I’m a Sleeper and get recruited. Wouldn’t \*that \*be awkward! Wow, talk about unforced claims… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/450 "2011-02-25T20:41:00Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I didn’t realize your comment was a joke, and since it’s repeating a common meme, I thought is worth pointing out how it was wrong. Apparently you missed the very next post? > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > NETA: The above post was intended to be in jest, but for all I know if could be dead-on correct. I really have no idea at this point 😕 I know \*\*peeker \*\*got the joke… > [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, hall of fame nomination for the funniest post of the game thus far. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/451 "2011-02-25T20:42:31Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Wow, talk about unforced claims… Yes, you got me. I’m claiming Sleeper. And I’m just having too much fun right at the moment. I think I may have had a couple too many cups of coffee today… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/452 "2011-02-25T20:43:23Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’m happy voting for the player I find most suspicious rather than a player I find somewhat suspicious. You’ve played this game a ton in the past – how is it that you find a player voting for you _despite saying that he thinks you lean town and a different player leans scum_ only “somewhat suspicious”? I mean, you excoriated me for voting you because I think you have an anti-town position; how can you possibly give **MentalGuy** a pass here for voting you _despite not thinking that you’re scum_? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/453 "2011-02-25T20:43:56Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Apparently you missed the very next post? > I know \*\*peeker \*\*got the joke… Actually, I did. I need to remember to reload the page before replying. That’s the hazard of reading in one tab and replying in another. I retract the snark in Post 448. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/454 "2011-02-25T20:50:06Z")
So, **Pleonast** , \*do \*you have any thoughts on **MentalGuy**? Do you think he’s Town? Scum? 3rd Party? Too close to tell? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/455 "2011-02-25T20:52:54Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > You’ve played this game a ton in the past – how is it that you find a player voting for you _despite saying that he thinks you lean town and a different player leans scum_ only “somewhat suspicious”? > > I mean, you excoriated me for voting you because I think you have an anti-town position; how can you possibly give **MentalGuy** a pass here for voting you _despite not thinking that you’re scum_? I’m not giving **MentalGuy** a pass because of anything they’ve done. I’m giving a pass because I’m voting for who I think is most suspicious and I don’t feel the need to move to another suspicious player simply to give more fuel to the anti- **Pleonast** crowd around here. (See **DrainBead** , I do account for others’ reactions, I just don’t take responsibility for them.) A vote for no reason is more suspicious than a vote for a poor reason. A poor reason is something. No reason gives us nothing. And **ped** ’s overall behavior perfectly fits scum do the minimal effort to participate. ( **Idle** is close on that account, but at least they’ve given a reason for their vote.) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/456 "2011-02-25T20:54:42Z")
I’m sorry; I just don’t see why Mental’s vote is clearly scummy. Yes, he might be voting Pleo even though he suspects Septimus or Astral more. But Septimus isn’t in Lynch contention – it would be a wasted vote; and several players have implied (though I disagree) that Lynching claimed vanilla might be playing the odds: even if Pleo isn’t Scum, he might be Sleeper. > [@special\_ed](#): > > Not this. > > Even though he’s voting for Astral. Puzzled by your cryptic comment. You disapprove of my post, which was mainly a vote for Astral … “Even though he’s voting for Astral.” Or did you just mean voting Astral is better than voting Pleo, but not as good as voting Mental? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/457 "2011-02-25T20:55:11Z")
Wow, I just full-on disagree with you, **Pleo**. If it wasn’t already obvious enough, we just have very different ways of thinking about this game. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/458 "2011-02-25T20:57:05Z")
Is anybody but me wondering where \*\*MentalGuy \*\*has gone off to? His last post was the one in which he voted for **Pleonast** and started this latest ruckus. In that he did say “I did a complete reread of the Day yesterday, but will not have time to respond to everything before the end of the Day.” Are we to take that as meaning that he won’t be back at all Today? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/459 "2011-02-25T20:59:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m sorry; I just don’t see why Mental’s vote is clearly scummy. Yes, he might be voting Pleo even though he suspects Septimus or Astral more. But Septimus isn’t in Lynch contention – it would be a wasted vote; and several players have implied (though I disagree) that Lynching claimed vanilla might be playing the odds: even if Pleo isn’t Scum, he might be Sleeper. Both **Mahaloth** and **Astral** _were_ in lynch contention, and **MentalGuy** expressly identified both those players as seeming scummy to him. > [@](#): > > Of the cases outside of Pleo that I have seen, _ **I find Astral most suspicious for the same reasons others have mentioned.** _ He seems to be manufacturing cases against certain players (primarily Guiri) while ignoring others playing similarly. Part of this comes from playing with him before and feeling that his play this game is less focused and more forced than in the previous games. > > Of the other cases, _ **I think the one against Mahaloth has the most validity** _ and while I understand why players are not jumping on the Septimus case I think it has a little more meat to it than they are acknowledging. > [@](#): > > Anyway, that means my choice comes down to a vote for _ **Astral who I suspect of being scum** _, but don’t have a strong feeling about or Pleo who I don’t have a read on one way or the other. Emphases mine. Not only that, he then expressly stated that “Pleo is a bit more likely to be town with his claim than scum.” And yet he votes for **Pleo**. You don’t see what’s suspicious about this? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/460 "2011-02-25T21:00:27Z")
NETA: Those quotes in post #459 are from **MentalGuy** in #392, if it wasn’t already clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=24)