# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/501 "2011-02-25T22:12:53Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > I am operating under the assumption that Pleo is either lying scum or truth-telling town. With that assumption, I feel that a lynch of Pleo has at least as good a chance of being a good lynch as Astral. Along with that, I feel that there is a lower chance of a really bad lynch, since I don’t think there is any chance that Pleo is a power role. Even though Pleo has admitted that his claim is intended to confuse the Scum since he might actually be a power role? So he’s stated that he might be lying Town? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/502 "2011-02-25T22:15:25Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Why not? 😃 > > I’ve made several posts debating Pleonast and while I have stated that voting for Pleonast would be punitive (it still is), I have also come to the realization that Pleonast’s claim makes him statistically more likely to be a ‘good’ lynch than anyone else. For me that’s quite compelling and not totally unfair to Pleonast as he chose to claim. > > Technically, I could make the same argument for Suburban Plankton, but my feeling is he is more likely to be Vanilla Town than some sort of super-sneaky-i’ll-make-a-joke-about-sleepers-to-make-them-think-i’m-vanilla-town scum. Emphasis on the ‘more likely.’ No thoughts on **MentalGuy’s** “I think X and Y are likely to be scum; I think Z is probably town; I’m going to vote for Z” reasoning, then? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/503 "2011-02-25T22:15:35Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I don’t understand your question, and **sachertorte** has already questioned me about that post. If you read my response to him and still find it unsatisfactory, I am happy to elaborate. > > (But not _too_ happy, because then **sach** will think I care too much. And maybe by taking into account whether **sach** thinks I care too much, I’m caring too much! Oh noooooo…) because you were cautioning Suburban to think about how he looks rather than encouraging him to find Scum. That’s just icky. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/504 "2011-02-25T22:17:26Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > because you were cautioning Suburban to think about how he looks rather than encouraging him to find Scum. That’s just icky. Fair enough. **Suburban** , I hereby encourage you to find scum. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/505 "2011-02-25T22:17:54Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This presupposes a level of premeditation and organization of which I assure you I am not generally capable. Except that you were setting him up poorly if both sach and I noticed it. So maybe you don’t have the skill you claim you don’t have 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/506 "2011-02-25T22:18:09Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **MentalGuy** came back to the thread, posted, knew he was in trouble of being lynched (if my count is correct he was tied for the lead at that point), but _didn’t roleclaim_. I see no pro-Town reason for withholding that information, if he’s Town, in his last post. This I like. I agree with Drain Bead on this point. Mental Guy posted before I stated that I would switch my vote to Pleonast. So at that point I think he should have felt very vulnerable. (yay to me for being slow). Anyway, I agree that the lack of claim is more indicative of scum than Town. Maybe I won’t switch my vote to Pleonast. Decisions Decisions. And I want to go home too. Once I leave the office I won’t be online again until after the deadline so… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/507 "2011-02-25T22:18:32Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Except that you were setting him up poorly if both sach and I noticed it. So maybe you don’t have the skill you claim you don’t have 🙂 Nice. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/508 "2011-02-25T22:20:37Z")
I’ll also echo calling MentalGuy out for not claiming at this point. I think now is the time if people are to make an informed decision about whether or not you should by lynched, regardless of where my vote happens to be. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/509 "2011-02-25T22:21:23Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > This I like. > I agree with Drain Bead on this point. Mental Guy posted before I stated that I would switch my vote to Pleonast. So at that point I think he should have felt very vulnerable. (yay to me for being slow). Anyway, I agree that the lack of claim is more indicative of scum than Town. > > Maybe I won’t switch my vote to Pleonast. > Decisions Decisions. > > And I want to go home too. Once I leave the office I won’t be online again until after the deadline so… Maybe this will make your decision easier \*\* Unvote: Astral Vote: Mental Guy\*\* I agree with the case drain has made both prior to and after Mental’s defense. I’s still be satisfied to see Astral lynched, but I really don’t want a tie. Gadarene’s recent comments have also piqued my interest as should be evident. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/510 "2011-02-25T22:25:22Z")
A couple of people have said they would switch to Pleo to avoid a tie, but I am afraid some of the players that have not been involved today will show up near the end and find my play as scummy as some of you do. And I will not be here right at the very end of the Day. I have been reluctant to do this since I am rendering myself completely useless unless the scum awaken a sleeper, but I am the town cop. I do realize some players will think I am scum just trying to draw out the real cop, but do remember that this bandwagon did not start on me until this afternooon and I did not see it until after 2:30 central time. I feel that my vote was based on reasonable (though possibly flawed) analysis, but I did not consider how it might be viewed and I should have, so I am sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/511 "2011-02-25T22:26:00Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I agree with the case drain has made both prior to and after Mental’s defense. > > I’s still be satisfied to see Astral lynched, but I really don’t want a tie. Gadarene’s recent comments have also piqued my interest as should be evident. So you agree with **Drain’s** case, but you apparently don’t give any weight to the fact that I was the first one to vote for **MentalGuy** and have been consistent thereafter in expressing my opinion about him, because your interest has been “piqued” by my off-handed comments about it. Okey-dokey. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/512 "2011-02-25T22:26:54Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I also don’t think his bandwagon was Scum-driven because of how quickly it happened. I mean, the first four votes were nearly simul-posts. That would have taken a level of coordination that, despite day-strategy, would have been very difficult to arrange. This I don’t like nearly as much. In fact, I think the opposite. Generally, lynching scum is _harder_. I don’t see how the initial votes on MentalGuy being simulposts means what you think it means. Assume a Townie MentalGuy makes a crazy post. Both Town and Scum are free to jump on it. Nothing is really holding scum back. Actually I would say a FAST bandwagon as we saw is LESS likely if MentalGuy is scum because his scum status would reduce the number of players willing to jump on it right away. I will agree with you that if MentalGuy turns up scum, then the members of the simulpost would receive quite a bit of Townie Cred (i.e. a Town-led bandwagon), but that’s assuming MentalGuy is scum. I don’t think the logic works in reverse. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/513 "2011-02-25T22:28:39Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > So you agree with **Drain’s** case, but you apparently don’t give any weight to the fact that I was the first one to vote for **MentalGuy** and have been consistent thereafter in expressing my opinion about him, because your interest has been “piqued” by my off-handed comments about it. Okey-dokey. Are you stating that your vote for Mental Guy should absolve you of the consequences of any of your other actions? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/514 "2011-02-25T22:31:16Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > A couple of people have said they would switch to Pleo to avoid a tie, but I am afraid some of the players that have not been involved today will show up near the end and find my play as scummy as some of you do. And I will not be here right at the very end of the Day. > > I have been reluctant to do this since I am rendering myself completely useless unless the scum awaken a sleeper, but **I am the town cop**. I do realize some players will think I am scum just trying to draw out the real cop, but do remember that this bandwagon did not start on me until this afternooon and I did not see it until after 2:30 central time. > > I feel that my vote was based on reasonable (though possibly flawed) analysis, but I did not consider how it might be viewed and I should have, so I am sorry. Oh, jesus. I need to go now and can’t come back to the thread before Dusk. **unvote Mental Guy** **vote Pleo** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/515 "2011-02-25T22:31:27Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > A couple of people have said they would switch to Pleo to avoid a tie, but I am afraid some of the players that have not been involved today will show up near the end and find my play as scummy as some of you do. And I will not be here right at the very end of the Day. > > I have been reluctant to do this since I am rendering myself completely useless unless the scum awaken a sleeper, but I am the town cop. I do realize some players will think I am scum just trying to draw out the real cop, but do remember that this bandwagon did not start on me until this afternooon and I did not see it until after 2:30 central time. > > I feel that my vote was based on reasonable (though possibly flawed) analysis, but I did not consider how it might be viewed and I should have, so I am sorry. _sigh_ **Unvote: Mental Guy** This is easily resolved with a counter claim or flip later ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/516 "2011-02-25T22:31:31Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > I do realize some players will think I am scum just trying to draw out the real cop, but do remember that this bandwagon did not start on me until this afternooon and I did not see it until after 2:30 central time. The two parts of this sentence aren’t actually logically connected – the possibility that you’re scum trying to draw out the real cop wouldn’t be any greater or lesser if the votes on you had accumulated earlier, as far as I can see. Still, since you’ve claimed cop and there’s no good way of testing that claim, I don’t have any real choice but to **unvote MentalGuy** for now, I guess. Of course, since we don’t have a doctor, it’s gonna look pretty strange if you don’t get lynched and you’re still alive toMorrow, but I suppose we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. Have to think about where I’m putting my vote now. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/517 "2011-02-25T22:32:40Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Are you stating that your vote for Mental Guy should absolve you of the consequences of any of your other actions? Obviously not. Quit being obstreperous. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/518 "2011-02-25T22:33:35Z")
It won’t look so strange if he’s still alive, as Scum have a roleblocker. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/519 "2011-02-25T22:33:42Z")
NETA: n/m, forgot about the jailer role. **MentalGuy’s** claim makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/520 "2011-02-25T22:35:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > It won’t look so strange if he’s still alive, as Scum have a roleblocker. ??? I don’t get it. If he is the cop and he’s still alive toMorrow, this means that either (a) he was jailed by the jailer (and thus couldn’t use his cop power, rendering himself basically useless), or (b) the scum for some reason decided not to target him. What does the scum roleblocker have to do with anything? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=27)