# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/521 "2011-02-25T22:37:10Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > ??? > > I don’t get it. > > If he is the cop and he’s still alive toMorrow, this means that either (a) he was jailed by the jailer (and thus couldn’t use his cop power, rendering himself basically useless), or (b) the scum for some reason decided not to target him. > > What does the scum roleblocker have to do with anything? They could block me and kill someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/522 "2011-02-25T22:37:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Are you stating that your vote for Mental Guy should absolve you of the consequences of any of your other actions? Oh, and one other thing: my “other actions” in your eyes were comments _about MentalGuy (and whether or not other players were voting for him)_. Thus, the two things are connected, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/523 "2011-02-25T22:37:49Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Obviously not. Quit being obstreperous. I might, if I knew what that meant. Why are you so defensive that you’ve done something that has looked suspicious to me. You seem to be concerned greatly with how people ‘look’ rather than on what they’ve done. And were you not trying to defend yourself by pointing out that you’d done something that I agreed with. Even though the suspicious things had nothing to do with your vote? And, by the way, with Mental claiming Cop, your vote doesn’t look so good right now, does it? :smack: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/524 "2011-02-25T22:38:16Z")
We also have a Jailer, who is basically a combination Doctor/Roleblocker, and his actions come first in the Nightly order. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/525 "2011-02-25T22:38:32Z")
And Gadarene, you are right about that sentence not being logically connected, but I don’t remember what chain of thoughts led me to write that. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/526 "2011-02-25T22:38:33Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > They could block me and kill someone else. This is a pain in the butt all the way around, then. 🙂 **May we have a current vote count?** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/527 "2011-02-25T22:39:36Z")
Damn, I got interrupted by one phone call, and 4 people posted while I was sitting on the preview screen! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/528 "2011-02-25T22:39:56Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > And were you not trying to defend yourself by pointing out that you’d done something that I agreed with. Even though the suspicious things had nothing to do with your vote? The “suspicious” things had everything to do with my vote, as I’ve just pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/529 "2011-02-25T22:40:31Z")
Well, back to the player I think is scummiest: **vote pedescribe** No idea if **MentalGuy** is telling the truth or not, but it’s bad policy to lynch investigators in the early game. I’m about to head home and won’t likely be able to check in until Monday. But since I’ll probably be dead, I guess it doesn’t matter. :smack: Anyway, I think you’ll have some useful leads with the several players who’ve placed clearly anti-town votes on me. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/530 "2011-02-25T22:41:25Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Anyway, I think you’ll have some useful leads with the several players who’ve placed clearly anti-town votes on me. :rolleyes: Get over yourself, **Pleo**. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/531 "2011-02-25T22:41:30Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Oh, and one other thing: my “other actions” in your eyes were comments _about MentalGuy (and whether or not other players were voting for him)_. Thus, the two things are connected, at the very least. Sorry, I was posting and didn’t see this. Your other thing was a comment to Suburban about how he’d look if Mental Guy flipped Scum and Pleo flipped Town. It really had nothing to do with your vote. It had more to do with how Suburban would look. At best, it was an attempt to coerce Suburban to vote for Mental instead of Pleo. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/532 "2011-02-25T22:44:45Z")
Whatever, **ed**. I think it’s ridiculous that this is even getting that much discussion. IT HAD A SMILEY, FOR GOODNESS SAKE! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/533 "2011-02-25T22:45:44Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > :rolleyes: Get over yourself, **Pleo**. Well, I, for one, happen to think that the reasons players place votes have some usefulness. Especially votes that are placed on the lynched player. There were five players who put votes on me that are anti-town. It would be foolish for the others to ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/534 "2011-02-25T22:52:03Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > A couple of people have said they would switch to Pleo to avoid a tie, but I am afraid some of the players that have not been involved today will show up near the end and find my play as scummy as some of you do. And I will not be here right at the very end of the Day. What ‘couple of people?’ If I’m following correctly (I didn’t re-read so sue me), I’m the only one to state my intention to switch. Zeriel (I think) was willing to switch TO MentalGuy. I think DrainBead might have said she was willing to switch off Mental, but only to avoid the tie and was (is) pushing hard for MentalGuy votes. Who are these ‘couple of people?’ > [@](#): > > I have been reluctant to do this since I am rendering myself completely useless unless the scum awaken a sleeper, but I am the town cop. I do realize some players will think I am scum just trying to draw out the real cop, but do remember that this bandwagon did not start on me until this afternooon and I did not see it until after 2:30 central time. Bad. Terrible even. (1) As a Powerrole you are nearly lynch-proof as this is an OPEN game. However, by only claiming after much pressure and added pressure due to your NOT claiming, the weight of your claim is strongly reduced. (2) Why would we think you’re trying to draw out the real cop? I didn’t think that. I would think that the Town Cop would be most concerned about NOT GETTING LYNCHED. If anything I’m thinking you are scum choosing the “OMG! we can’t lynch the COP!” defense. I don’t believe MentalGuy’s claim. But I also agree with Ed that tactically we don’t lose much by letting him live at this point. The strongest scum power is roleblocker, so even if MentalGuy is the scum roleblocker, we aren’t losing much by not lynching him while we could lose quite a bit more by lynching him. If MentalGuy is the Town Doc, then he is now essentially a Mason of One. I don’t see him being able to use his powers ever. To do so we need to kill the scum roleblocker AND create a Town Doc (which also creates another scum). SO not worth it. Now I wish we had just lynched Pleonast yesterday and had been done with it. Damn that sachertorte and his desk calendar. I’m leaving my vote on Astral on the assumption and approval of Pleonast getting lynched. I’m also going home now. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/535 "2011-02-25T22:53:26Z")
“Anti-town” in your eyes only. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/536 "2011-02-25T22:58:44Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Whatever, **ed**. I think it’s ridiculous that this is even getting that much discussion. I’ll agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/537 "2011-02-25T23:01:21Z")
well fart a biscuit. **unvote mental guy** **vote pleo** ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/538 "2011-02-25T23:08:21Z")
Day 1 Vote Tally Pleonast(8) :Zeriel[162], Mental Guy[187-255][392], [del]Drain Bead[202-395][/del], [del]Gadarene[208-384][/del], [del]septimus[212-269][/del], pedescribe[216], peekercpa[230-399][537], ComeToTheDarksideWeHaveCookies[236], One and Only Wanderers[288], Tom Scud[327-398][514], Suburban Plankton[444] Mahaloth(3) :Idle Thoughts[159], [del]Suburban Plankton[217-444][/del], Wolverine[241], Manwich[265], [del]septimus[284-409][/del] Astral Rejection(3) :guiri[269], [del]special ed[273-509][/del], sachertorte[317], septimus[409] Mental Guy(2) :[del]Pleonast[240-240][461-529][/del], [del]Gadarene[394-516][/del], Drain Bead[395], [del]Tom Scud[398-514][/del], [del]peekercpa[399-537][/del], Astral Rejection[420], [del]special ed[509-515][/del] pedescribe(1) :Pleonast[240-461][529] Idle Thoughts(1) :Mahaloth[291] guiri(1) :storyteller0910[306] Wolverine(0) :[del]Zeriel[137-162][/del], [del]Mahaloth[147-291][/del] One and Only Wanderers(0) :[del]pedescribe[138-216][/del] septimus(0) :[del]Tom Scud[238-285][/del], [del]Mental Guy[255-392][/del] Zeriel(0) :[del]Pleonast[240-240][/del] Drain Bead(0) :[del]Pleonast[240-240][/del] Gadarene(0) :[del]Pleonast[240-240][/del] Tom Scud(0) :[del]Astral Rejection[266-420][/del] Did Not Vote:Gadarene,special ed With these votes, Pleonast would be lynched. Also: The day ends in 52ish minutes. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/539 "2011-02-25T23:12:29Z")
Ack. One more thing (then I’m going home … really) Even if MentalGuy is scum, we’re in a pretty nice spot regarding the scum roleblocker. In order for us to believe that MentalGuy is not scum, they have to at least pretend to roleblock MentalGuy. Otherwise we would expect a reading from MentalGuy (assuming he’s alive blah blah blah). Anyway, if someone else gets blocked (Jailer) then we would have evidence that MentalGuy is scum. That may not buy us much, but if MentalGuy is scum, then it seriously scum’s ability to block the real cop. And if MentalGuy is Town, well… Masons are pretty useful too. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/540 "2011-02-25T23:13:59Z")
You know I wanted to delete the “seriously” but for some reason deleted the “hinders” instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=28)