# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1081 "2011-03-09T05:06:42Z")
I guess I should apologize too … for not being Scum! 😃 Isn’t it customary to offer libations at Night? Are we corpses allowed to join in? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1082 "2011-03-09T15:43:29Z")
Have a [beer](http://www.rogue.com/beers/dead-guy-ale.php)? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1083 "2011-03-09T15:53:23Z")
So then next Day begins Thursday at 7:00 PM. Do we need to vote again about extending it or not? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1084 "2011-03-11T00:03:18Z")
**Wolverine** a **Town Jailer** has been killed. Day 4 begins now. The hammer is 10. The day will end in 4 days on Monday March 14th at 7 pm EST. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1085 "2011-03-11T00:35:42Z")
Your games with the scum were excellent, Wolverine. Sorry to see you go. Are we feeling confident that there’s a doc, now? That last-minute bit of confusion makes this less than clear in my head. I’m guessing yes. Mental Guy, did you investigate successfully? ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1086 "2011-03-11T00:48:06Z")
Damn it, scum got lucky. I am posting quickly in a break but I think we need to look at the discussion about the Vig/Doc plan. And I don’t just mean people who voted no, abstained or didn’t vote. It[FONT=]　really seemed much messier than it should have been and I wonder if scum were trying to muddy the waters, so we wouldn’t know if the Doc/Vig went through with things.[/FONT] Mahaloth, why were you coy about your target? You seemed very confused and distracted towards the end of that day – missing my unvote, forgetting about the sleeper/doc issue, not understanding why you needed to name a target. And Astral, your final post just seemed to confuse things – why did you post that? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1087 "2011-03-11T00:56:21Z")
Because I was genuinely confused. I thought he was being difficult and not coming out and announcing the target. Then, as I was glancing back through, I thought he was correcting Red’s vote count instead. So I wanted to make it clear that I wasn’t 100% sure and that our vig and doc should go check for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1088 "2011-03-11T01:14:09Z")
OK, I’m 96.837% certain that we have a doctor. Did anyone get a message? \*\* Scum:\*\* [del]1 scum roleblocker [/del] 1 scum godfather 3 scum vanilla [del]2 sleepers[/del] **3rd Party:** [del]1 deranged bomber[/del] \*\*Town: \*\*1 town Doc 1 town cop [del]1 town jailer [/del] [del]2 Vanilla Town[/del] 1 town vigilante 3 town masons 6 vanilla town [COLOR=Black]Town is most likely up 13-4 which gives us 4 mislynches. (plus .5 lynches per good Vig shot or doc protection and minus .5 lynches for bad Vig shot) If we all claimed Vanilla/Non-Vanilla with the exception of the Vig we’d have 5 Town claiming non-Vig and 11 others players. [/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1089 "2011-03-11T01:16:27Z")
No message here. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1090 "2011-03-11T01:20:14Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > [COLOR=Black]Town is most likely up 13-4 which gives us 4 mislynches. (plus .5 lynches per good Vig shot or doc protection and minus .5 lynches for bad Vig shot) > > [/COLOR] NETA, when I was looking this over, I recounted it to 12-4. I failed to change it though I did change the mislynches to 4. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1091 "2011-03-11T01:21:50Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Mahaloth, why were you coy about your target? You seemed very confused and distracted towards the end of that day – missing my unvote, forgetting about the sleeper/doc issue, not understanding why you needed to name a target. And Astral, your final post just seemed to confuse things – why did you post that? I was highly distracted for the last hours of the Day. I wish that we had extended the Day, honestly. I don’t think I was that coy, though. I made my choice quite clear once I realized I had not made my pick. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1092 "2011-03-11T01:49:11Z")
I’m also inclined to believe that we have a Doc and I need to re-read the end of the Day 3. I’m going to try to correlate voting records to mass claim opinions to opinions on The Plan and see if anything falls out. Manwich: Town play can be quite messy. While I acknowledge the temptation to look for scum in the late-Day mess, I also worry about the false positive risk by basing a decision only on that. I’m also a bit dubious of broad terms like “messy” and “scummy” because people can try to ooze one into the other without ever explicitly defining either. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1093 "2011-03-11T02:05:12Z")
I was not successful in my investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1094 "2011-03-11T02:12:00Z")
Do we all need to claim then? ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1095 "2011-03-11T03:53:01Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Manwich: Town play can be quite messy. While I acknowledge the temptation to look for scum in the late-Day mess, I also worry about the false positive risk by basing a decision only on that. I’m also a bit dubious of broad terms like “messy” and “scummy” because people can try to ooze one into the other without ever explicitly defining either. OK, if the consensus of more experienced players (and everyone is more experienced than me) is that it was standard end-of-day confusion, I will take that advice. And I certainly wouldn’t base a decision \*\*only \*\*on “messiness”. I was just saying that was one place to look for clues. If scum thought that the Vig/Doc plan would be good for town, they might have tried to stop it – either by opposing it outright, not voting for it, or trying making it fail by confusing us about whether the Vig/Doc actually went through with it. Then again, they have thought that stopping it was not worth the risk of their exposure. And we are claiming, right? Should we get started? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1096 "2011-03-11T08:07:56Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > And we are claiming, right? Should we get started? OK, I’m ready. Using **Sache** ’s claim order, **Suburban** ’s first and I’m next. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1097 "2011-03-11T10:45:14Z")
Given that we lost Wolverine I hope we do have a Doc. Hopefully they will do as well as Wolverine at keeping scum guessing. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1098 "2011-03-11T12:46:46Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > OK, I’m ready. Using **Sache** ’s claim order, **Suburban** ’s first and I’m next. I would rather use a Mahaloth created order. Since he’s much more confirmed as Town ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1099 "2011-03-11T12:50:17Z")
Please, no one claim just yet. Am on the way to work, will write more when I get there. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1100 "2011-03-11T12:59:05Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I would rather use a Mahaloth created order. Since he’s much more confirmed as Town I’ll get one prepared. Does anyone have a “alive and dead” player list handy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=56)