# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1221 "2011-03-15T01:42:01Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > BOO! BOOOOO! Hisssssssss… > > Eh, I would have got away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids! > > Go Team! Ha! Ha and Ha! I say! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1222 "2011-03-15T02:00:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Ha! Ha and Ha! I say! Yes, you’re very smart. Now shut up. [/Columbo] or something like that… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1223 "2011-03-15T02:35:40Z")
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1224 "2011-03-15T03:28:11Z")
woo woo go town! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1225 "2011-03-15T07:00:57Z")
nice 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1226 "2011-03-15T18:54:11Z")
**Will the next Day end on Saturday at 7 PM ET?** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1227 "2011-03-16T03:15:09Z")
Manly, yes, but I like it too ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1228 "2011-03-16T23:08:16Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > It is now Night 4. > > Night 4 will end 7 pm on March 16th. lies! lies! lies! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1229 "2011-03-16T23:16:32Z")
Here’s some cool Cassini imagery while we wait: https://player.vimeo.com/video/11386048 ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1230 "2011-03-16T23:17:49Z")
Hmm, some bodies. **Astral Rejection** , **Vanilla Town** is dead. **pedescribe** , **Scum Godfather** is dead. It is now Day 5. Due to unforeseen circumstances, if the day does not end before March 18 at 11 pm, then the day will not end until March 20th at 7pm. (All times in eastern). Today’s Hammer is 9. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1231 "2011-03-16T23:20:31Z")
Wow! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1232 "2011-03-16T23:21:44Z")
Most excellent! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1233 "2011-03-16T23:23:14Z")
Yes! Scum got a Vanilla. The godfather is dead. Investigation results, Mental Guy? also, what’s the claim. I remember being first on Mahaloth’s list. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1234 "2011-03-16T23:28:57Z")
woot the fracking woot. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1235 "2011-03-16T23:38:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Yes! > > Scum got a Vanilla. The godfather is dead. > > Investigation results, Mental Guy? > > also, what’s the claim. I remember being first on Mahaloth’s list. Investigation result: Special Ed is Town. If I am laying down the edict, I say we go with the vanilla or non claim. I don’t know which is better, but this one is easier to enforce, since if anyone refuses, we can make them a target. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1236 "2011-03-16T23:41:52Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Investigation result: Special Ed is Town. Well, that’s comforting. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1237 "2011-03-16T23:43:10Z")
Oh, and not only am I **Town** , I am **Not Vanilla** as well. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1238 "2011-03-16T23:47:50Z")
Wow. I’m fairly certain that scum simply cannot win. I’ll have to do some math to be sure, but with the death of the Godfather, all investigations by MentalGuy are pure gold. Our Confirmable List: MentalGuy (Cop) Doc Vig Mahaloth Mason2 Mason3 == 6 confirmables 1 Claimed Vanilla (me) 4 Unclaimed Vanilla (I think this is true, we had thought it was three but SP and pedescibe make a +2 and Astral makes a -1). 2 scum So thats 6 confirmables versus 7 unconfirmed. If MentalGuy has investigated a SINGLE Vanilla Town, then we would have 7 confirmables and 6 unconfirmed. In this case I would push for a mass claim to end the game by force: case 1: scum both claim vanilla - We lynch Vanilla. Vig kills Vanilla. Doc investigates Vanilla (They can even announce before Night). Result is either a dead Doc, Vig or Cop. Assume the worst Dead Cop. then we have 4 unconfirmed and 6 confirmed. We lynch and Vig unconfirmed to force a WIN. case 2: one scum claims a Power, one claims vanilla - I think searching the counterclaim is optimal here. Worst case, lynch one vig the other. It isn’t as clean as case 1 since after a full claim we have an exposed Doc and Vig and Cop to try and protect. So lets assume we lynch Town and the Vig tries to kill the scum but dies instead (I think that is worst case). Cop and Doc live so we wake up with 5 confirmed + 1 new investigation of Vanillas to yield 6 confirmed and 5 unconfirmed. Again we can simply lynch and investigate the unconfirmed pool to force a win. case 3: both scum claim a power - worst decision EVER by scum. All Vanillas plus uncounterclaimed powers are now confirmed. 4 unconfirmed versus boatload of confirmed. We win by force. Mass claim baby! Or scum can simply give up. They can’t win… like at all. On Preview: It looks like MentalGuy investigated a Town Power. I can see why MentalGuy didn’t investigate me as it was possible (though improbable by my estimation) that I might die. Oooh so close. I still think we can force a win. I’ll have to recalculate though. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1239 "2011-03-16T23:50:11Z")
BTW. Special Ed very much should NOT reveal his actual role until after a mass claim (if it happens) happens. The reason is simple. It is quite possible that scum could try and pick the role that Special Ed has. In this case we would catch a scum instantly. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1240 "2011-03-16T23:51:45Z")
From mahaloth’s list: \*\*1. Specialed Not Vanilla 2. Peeker 3. Manwich 4. Gadarene 7. OneandOnly 8. CometotheDarkside 9. Zeriel 10. Storyteller 11. Suburban 12. Idle 13. Mental Not Vanilla and not sure why he’s on this list 14. Mahaloth Not Vanilla and not sure why he put himself on his own list 15. Sacher **Vanilla \*\* 16. Guiri** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=63)