# Glasnost Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757 "2011-02-17T23:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1321 "2011-03-17T19:30:54Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I keep running it back and forth in my head. We _could_ screw up and no-lynch toDay, if we don’t make sure to get our collective act together. That would be a problem, as it would open a modest window. > > Is it at all possible that there is no Doctor? Only if **peeker** is lying about having targeted pedescribe, and is therefore Scum, but if that’s the case, the Vig will kill peeker toNight (there’d be no Doctor to protect peeker, of course, because there’d be no Doctor). Even if, in such a case, peeker killed the Vig before the Vig killed peeker, the dead Vig would reveal peeker’s lie and we’d lynch him toMorrow. So that’s not an avenue. > > What happens if Scum kill the Cop toNight? Given that killing to Doctor is useless to them. Say we mislynch (down to 10-2, 6 lynchable and 6 nonlynchable). Scum kill Cop (down to 9-2, 5 and 6) and Vig kills Town Vanilla (8-2, 5 and 5). ToMorrow we mislynch again (7-2, 5 and 4). That Night the Scum kill the Doc (6-2, 4 and 4) and the Vig kills another Vanilla (5-2, 4 and 3). Next Day we mislynch ANOTHER Vanilla (4-2, 4 and 2). Going into that Night the only living players are the Vig, all three Masons, and the Scum. They kill the Vig (3-2). Next day we lynch a Scum (3-1). That Night they kill a Mason (2-1). Next day we lynch the last Scum. Game over. > > If they kill the Vig? We mislynch (down to 10-2, 6 and 6). Scum kill Vig (9-2, 5 and 6). Cop clears Vanilla Townie (9-2, 6 and 5). Next Day we mislynch (8-2, 6 and 4). That Night the Scum kill the Doc (7-2, 5 and 4), but the Cop clears another Vanilla Townie (7-2, 6 and 3). Next Day we mislynch (6-2, only Scum remain lynchable). Scum kill Cop (5-2). We lynch Scum (5-1). Scum kill some random nonlynchable (4-1). We lynch final Scum. Game over. > > As long as we actually lynch someone from the unknown pool every Day, this game is over. To that end, > > **unvote Manwich** > **vote Idle Thoughts** > > I am glad to switch my vote to any currently lynchable player, in fact including myself, to make sure that a lynch actually happens toDay. Everyone should do this. One of the definitively confirmed - Mahaloth, Wanderers, ed, Mental Guy, doesn’t matter - please designate a target (I don’t care who, as long as it’s not a claimed power role) and every player in the game should vote for that target. This absolutely prevents any kind of last minute chicanery ending in a non-lynch. So I ask again…if you think I’m scum, then you think I’m lying about having gotten the “Arise, Chicken” message? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1322 "2011-03-17T19:31:55Z")
I mean, obviously you must if you are voting for me, yes? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1323 "2011-03-17T19:54:10Z")
I had forgotten about Idle’s message. It would indicate that scum tried to recruit him; however scum are acting erratically in this game so I think all bets are off. Pleonast got himself in hot water. Pedescribe put himself in the target for the Vig. Recruiting Suburban Plankton also seems odd to me. I suppose they were hoping we wouldn’t kill him because it would be “too easy,” but time and time again I think we know that “easy” is Town’s favorite! Honestly, that’s why I voted for pedescribe over Suburban. I didn’t think scum would be so silly as to target SP! Late on the previous day when Suburban didn’t claim Doc, I assumed he was Vanilla Town as he claimed. I was expecting a scummy Suburban to claim Doc as he could wiggle that one in due to the sleeper mechanism triggering after his slip-claim. When he didn’t I assumed he was Town. I didn’t say anything because I didn’t care. Both Suburban and pedescribe were good candidates for lynching and vigging. But now that he turned up scum sleeper I’m wondering why he didn’t false claim. There was no reason not to. Oh, I guess since pedescribe would have been lynched, but still. Anyway, my point is scum aren’t acting in their own best interests, so Idle Thoughts faking the message, while a bad move by scum, isn’t out of the realm of possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1324 "2011-03-17T20:03:04Z")
I think Occam’s Razor would show the more simple explanation is: They tried to recruit me and failed (which, in fact, is really what the case is). ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1325 "2011-03-17T21:30:09Z")
\*\*After some discussion, and seeing only the slightest of possibilities for scum victory. I have decided to call the game. Scum had an uphill battle on this one, partly due to me putting too many town powers in there, this game obviously needs some tweaking. I have spoken with the scum team, and they have agreed to concede. \*\* **Town** wins! Scum Board: > **[A Bland Hideout | Message Board](https://skeezyscum.proboards.com/board/2)** > > Visit our forum at: skeezyscum.proboards.com Spoiler Board: > **[Sleeper Spoilers | Message Board](https://redskeezix.proboards.com/board/6)** > > Visit our forum at: redskeezix.proboards.com ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1326 "2011-03-17T21:31:05Z")
Yay! Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1327 "2011-03-17T21:40:30Z")
Heh. For the record, Guiri & Cookies were the last 2 scum. Good thing I got killed early because I never had a solid lead on anyone. Only good thing I did was to throw out a buncha posts about the jailer early and convince the scum that I was the jailer :). ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1328 "2011-03-17T21:45:42Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Heh. For the record, Guiri & Cookies were the last 2 scum. Good thing I got killed early because I never had a solid lead on anyone. Only good thing I did was to throw out a buncha posts about the jailer early and convince the scum that I was the jailer :). Yep, well done. And **Astral** for his stuff about the Vig and not claiming. We managed to identify the 2 masons and Doc but the Vig hadn’t killed any lurking Townies so **Peeker** wasn’t even considered! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1329 "2011-03-17T22:21:04Z")
Hey, my scumdar wasn’t so broken after all–even if Cookies was actually apparently trying to get town cred by throwing SP under the bus. =P ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1330 "2011-03-17T22:34:14Z")
Well that game was bizarre. I think it is clear that there were too many confirmable roles (7 of 21). But other than that the balance didn’t seem to be too off. It’s also hard to judge since the events were so very one-sided at the beginning. Killing off the scum roleblocker on Day One was huge. Especially with the Cop claimed. If only I couldn’t count to four. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1331 "2011-03-17T22:37:38Z")
woot woot the everloving woot. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1332 "2011-03-17T22:37:43Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I never had a solid lead on anyone. Me neither. Not that I usually do anyway. We just seemed to stumble into killing scum. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1333 "2011-03-17T22:42:33Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Well that game was bizarre. > > I think it is clear that there were too many confirmable roles (7 of 21). But other than that the balance didn’t seem to be too off. > It’s also hard to judge since the events were so very one-sided at the beginning. Killing off the scum roleblocker on Day One was huge. Especially with the Cop claimed. If only I couldn’t count to four. Yeah, nailing Pleo really did break the game wide open for Town; that was exceedingly fortunate. And yay! Thanks for running a great game, **Red**! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1334 "2011-03-17T22:52:22Z")
Yes! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1335 "2011-03-17T23:08:55Z")
Congrats Town! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1336 "2011-03-17T23:33:15Z")
I hadn’t had a chance to be scum in a long time. Hadn’t played in an open set up in a long time either. Neither were nearly as fun as I remembered. 😛 Thanks for the game, all. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1337 "2011-03-17T23:40:38Z")
I had set aside my frustration with Pleo some time ago, since I think a significant amount of his play (and how it was perceived) was tainted by his history in other games. A cautionary tale, I hope to people considering trying to somehow meta-strategize. I think it is toxic to the game in general, and was certainly toxic to the scum team this game. I see that he feels comfortable saying ‘I told you so’ in the forbidden thread, which I find…interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1338 "2011-03-18T01:12:25Z")
Nice going, everyone\* \*Well, everyone who was on MY side, anyway. 😛 But seriously. Good game, all. And thank you for hosting, **Red.** ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1339 "2011-03-18T05:03:14Z")
I was expecting to attract attention today and just came in to say I couldn’t really blame anyone for voting for me but that’s a moot point now… Ha! I will say again, nice work people. I clearly didn’t do much helpful towards the win, I am sorry. Although it was my first game, I am confident in saying that was a really weird game, right from the start. Still, I think I learnt a lot about explaining myself more clearly, and I have realised how hard it is to tell scum-play from just different play/communication styles. Thanks Red, and well done to all the town powers / plan makers. Very impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757/1340 "2011-03-18T05:19:59Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > I was expecting to attract attention today and just came in to say I couldn’t really blame anyone for voting for me but that’s a moot point now… > > Ha! I will say again, nice work people. I clearly didn’t do much helpful towards the win, I am sorry. Although it was my first game, I am confident in saying that was a really weird game, right from the start. Still, I think I learnt a lot about explaining myself more clearly, and I have realised how hard it is to tell scum-play from just different play/communication styles. > > Thanks Red, and well done to all the town powers / plan makers. Very impressive. Hey, you didn’t do anything stupid that lead to you getting lynched early and hurting your team, so that puts you way ahead of some people… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glasnost-mafia/571757.md?page=68)