# Glass Onion (a Knives Out Mystery) was in Theaters Nov. 23 -29, now on Netflix (Dec. 23, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** netflix, movies\ **Created:** [November 22, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388 "2022-11-22T16:40:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/241 "2023-01-02T15:56:19Z")
I had to look them all up-I thought I recognized Kareem but that was it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/242 "2023-01-02T16:00:52Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Benoit and Helen were taking a pretty big risk that setting fire to the hydrogen powered home wouldn’t make the entire island blow up like Hiroshima. It was a “fuck everything” move that really didn’t seem consistent with Benoit Blanc’s character. Actually, it kind of felt like they’d run out of time when writing the script. > [@Miller](#): > > I’m kind of blown away by the number of people in this thread who see two men living together in a clearly domestic situation, and think, “Probably his butler!” > > Because having butlers is totally a normal thing in 2022, particularly as compared to something so rare and unusual as “being gay.” And of course it’s just so common for private investigators living in apartments to have BUTLERS. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/243 "2023-01-02T16:09:14Z")
Whoever lived in that apartment could afford live-in help. Did you see the balcony? ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/244 "2023-01-02T16:19:53Z")
Sondheim and Lansbury both died before the movie came out. If Jeremy Renner doesn’t recover from his injuries, we could be talking about a curse on Glass Onion cameos. Look out, Jared Leto! ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/245 "2023-01-02T16:21:58Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > (And now I’m curious, who were the other players in the online game?) > > Stephen Sondheim (RIP) Angela Landsbury (also RIP) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Natasha Lyonne. My thought when I saw them was “Wow, Kareem better not buy any green bananas…” > [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Miller](#): > > > > Benoit and Helen were taking a pretty big risk that setting fire to the hydrogen powered home wouldn’t make the entire island blow up like Hiroshima. > > It was a “fuck everything” move that really didn’t seem consistent with Benoit Blanc’s character. I took the very James Bond-like ending (evil genius’ lair explodes) as a reference to Craig’s turn as Bond. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/246 "2023-01-02T16:31:21Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Whoever lived in that apartment could afford live-in help. Did you see the balcony? It was a nice place, but butlers aren’t help consistent with “a nice place.” Really, which conclusion is likelier? ---
**Author:** ![BrianDime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@BrianDime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianDime)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/247 "2023-01-02T16:39:50Z")
In the early part on the island, where Blanc is pretending to be completely befuddled by the whole situation, I turned to my wife and said “I’m getting a Columbo vibe here”. ---
**Author:** ![BrianDime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@BrianDime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianDime)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/248 "2023-01-02T16:49:34Z")
Referring back to an earlier post about unreliable narrators, but don’t the flashback bits indicate that he DIDN’T accept it out of boredom, but because he was aware that there was a “real” mystery afoot? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/249 "2023-01-02T16:54:57Z")
Yes. We have a mysterious death - and a prime suspect will be on the island, so that’s the place to go ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/250 "2023-01-02T16:59:54Z")
Wait, when were there cameos from Jeremy Renner, Jared Leto, and/or Yo Yo Ma? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/251 "2023-01-02T17:04:03Z")
Yo-Yo Ma identified the fugue during the puzzle scene (in Birdy’s pod) ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/252 "2023-01-02T17:11:39Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > I didn’t recognize any of them > > I didn’t recognize them all … but the bit working for those who did partly depends on their knowing that there are those of us who didn’t. We all enjoy the little smugness of being part of the group that gets it, that sees the Easter Egg before someone else pointed it out, that gets a joke others do not, and that smug enjoyment of being “in” requires knowing that some are “out”. I don’t know why you think it’s about being “smug.” They were just fun little cameos. Why do you have to make it negative? There were a lot of “awwwws” from the audience I saw it with when Sondheim & Lansbury were shown. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/253 "2023-01-02T17:37:49Z")
Not a cameo from Renner or Leto, but Renner made the hot sauce and Leto the kombucha. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/254 "2023-01-02T17:57:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It was a nice place, but butlers aren’t help consistent with “a nice place.” > > Really, which conclusion is likelier? Also, an explicit theme of this series of movies is, “Rich people suck.” And having live-in domestic servants is about the height of privileged wealth. Both films draw clear class distinctions between the wealthy and the middle and working classes, and wealth always backs wealth, regardless of other political or social lines: in the first movie, the entire family puts aside their personal squabbles to unite against the maid when their inheritance is threatened. In this film, all of Andi’s friends immediately turn on her when Bron threatens their wealth and status. Giving Blanc a live-in butler puts him on the other side of that line, and having him consistently champion underdogs would undercut the central theme of the films. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/255 "2023-01-02T18:08:36Z")
I’m not sure it’s ‘rich people suck’, more like ‘greed makes people do bad things’. The Christopher Plummer character in the first film was rich but appeared to be a decent guy on the face of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/256 "2023-01-02T18:09:18Z")
Speaking of the balcony; where was that? New Orleans? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/257 "2023-01-02T18:14:16Z")
I thought New York but I don’t know why. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/258 "2023-01-02T18:23:44Z")
For some reason New Orleans was my thought as well, but that may have just been Blanc’s accent influencing me. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/259 "2023-01-02T18:26:50Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It was a nice place, but butlers aren’t help consistent with “a nice place.” > > Really, which conclusion is likelier? The guy is a boyfriend, because of his familiar attitude, because of the way he dressed, and yes, because that fits the character of Blanc better. But given the style of the show (Agatha Christie site about the wealthy) i don’t think it’s crazy to think “butler”. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/260 "2023-01-02T18:57:58Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I don’t know why you think it’s about being “smug.” They were just fun little cameos. Why do you have to make it negative? Probably this could be an IMHO offshoot discussion but I don’t think that is “negative” per se. I see it as a recognition of why we enjoy certain jokes, and even puzzles, that part of the enjoyment is based on being part of the group that gets the reference and knowing that others do not, just like a puzzle you’ve solved is not as fun if everyone else solves it just as easily as you do. Recognizing the cameo, like understanding an Easter Egg, are forms of “in jokes” which can only exist with knowledge that some are “out”. IMHO. > [@Miller](#): > > Also, an explicit theme of this series of movies is, “Rich people suck.” And having live-in domestic servants is about the height of privileged wealth. Both films draw clear class distinctions between the wealthy and the middle and working classes, and wealth always backs wealth, regardless of other political or social lines Personally my read (and my made up backstory for Blanc) is very different. I do not read Blanc as “working” or even “middle” class. I read him as wealth, old money family wealth, wealth enough that he doesn’t care about money or broadcasting status, but the sort that has disgust for others of wealth who feel that such makes them better than anyone else, or put others down. I did not read “butler”, again (appreciating the intent was to signal gay partnership) I read nothing other than shoving Hugh Grant in, but I could definitely imagine Blanc having a butler/manservant and having a relationship with him of causal to familial familiarity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388.md?page=14)