# Glass Onion (a Knives Out Mystery) was in Theaters Nov. 23 -29, now on Netflix (Dec. 23, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** netflix, movies\ **Created:** [November 22, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388 "2022-11-22T16:40:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Hermione1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d07c76/32.png) [@Hermione1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione1)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/261 "2023-01-02T18:58:13Z")
I think you can see the Chrysler Building from the balcony. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d07c76/32.png) [@Hermione1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione1)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/262 "2023-01-02T19:01:39Z")
I don’t think Benoit comes from old money: he refers to himself as a “self-made man” in the first movie, which is also where he mentions that his father was a police detective. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/263 "2023-01-02T19:03:59Z")
I had not remembered those lines and stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/264 "2023-01-02T19:19:24Z")
Self made or not, gay or not, Blanc is definitely a dandy and having a butler wouldn’t be out of character for a dandy. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/265 "2023-01-02T19:34:13Z")
“gentleman sleuths” does sound pretty upper-class, though. Admittedly he doesn’t call himself that! ---
**Author:** ![Heracles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heracles/32/487_2.png) [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/266 "2023-01-03T01:02:13Z")
About #2 : I agree that they cheated by having a good part of the info hidden from the audience, including of course the first murder. So it’s very entertaining, but it’s not a proper whodunnit. The parts that were visible to us in the first half of the movie, and the underlying timeline, were very confusing. The time Miles Bron nearly crashed his blue Porsche into Duke’s motorcycle, and the time Miles gave Whiskey a piece of jewelry for her birthday, which were mentioned like distant recollections, apparently both happened on the same day – just a few days ago? Even Benoît Blanc’s seemingly miraculous resolution of the staged murder-mystery happened without giving us any chance / reason to notice some of the elements. Was there any hint, from our point of view, that the crossbow was aimed at Miles, or that Birdie used to own the gem she was wearing on the magazine cover? ---
**Author:** ![Heracles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heracles/32/487_2.png) [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/267 "2023-01-03T01:20:27Z")
Something I noticed: Philip is wearing a tie-dyed apron when he opens the door while Benoît is on a Zoom call. When Helen introduces herself to Blanc, she mentions her work now involves Zoom and… _tie-dying_? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/268 "2023-01-03T03:12:12Z")
> [@Heracles](#): > > Even Benoît Blanc’s seemingly miraculous resolution of the staged murder-mystery happened without giving us any chance / reason to notice some of the elements. But that was, of course, not the real mystery anyway. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/269 "2023-01-03T17:26:06Z")
> [@ZonexandScout](#): > > - It is difficult to satirize millennials when most of the ones I’ve met act exactly like the characters in this movie. > - Rian Johnson does not know how to write adult dialogue and situations…or chooses not to. In his view, one apparently has to be much older than 30-something to have any good judgment, wisdom, or maturity. Uh… none of the shitheads were Millenials. Janelle is the only actor in her 30s, the rest are in their 40’s and 50’s. Now, character age doesn’t always match up with actor age but they seem to be playing mid-40’s at least. Kate Hudson is a past her prime model and Katheryn Hahn is a freaking governor. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/270 "2023-01-03T19:17:02Z")
I don’t think it’s physically possible to be more Gen X than Miles Bron. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/271 "2023-01-03T21:57:35Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’ll Grant Hugh that. [stern look] You beHAVE yourself, now. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/272 "2023-01-03T22:55:37Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Uh… none of the shitheads were Millenials. Janelle is the only actor in her 30s, the rest are in their 40’s and 50’s Well, obviously not Whiskey, played by Madisyn Cline, who is 25. Peg wasn’t a shithead, so she doesn’t count. She was played by a 30-year-old, Jessica Henwick. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/273 "2023-01-03T23:11:47Z")
True, but I didn’t really consider Whiskey or Peg to be a shithead. Just the four plus Miles (who are also really the dumbest characters). ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/274 "2023-01-05T09:33:33Z")
> [@Heracles](#): > > So it’s very entertaining, but it’s not a proper whodunnit. (Saw it last night) The temptation to pull a Miles Bron and pass off other people’s cleverness as my own is strong, but I shall rise above it and share this critique, which argues that Glass Onion is not a whodunnit at all, but a thriller/heist movie in which Helen and Blanc put together and execute a scheme to steal Miles’ good name. [https://twitter.com/sqiouyilu/status/1610325589327769600?t=enWgVbGXfwBR2tr\_YIT-7g&s=19](https://twitter.com/sqiouyilu/status/1610325589327769600?t=enWgVbGXfwBR2tr_YIT-7g&s=19) I will only add that the cavalier treatment of Miles’ murder game backs this up: elaborate scheme full of red herrings and subtle clues dispensed with instantly because that’s not what we’re doing here. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/275 "2023-01-05T09:36:25Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Glass Onion is not a whodunnit at all, but a thriller/heist movie in which Helen and Blanc put together and execute a scheme to steal Miles’ good name. That’s a great take. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/276 "2023-01-05T09:51:27Z")
Yes, wish it were mine. I do appreciate that as @Miller says, the central message of both films is that rich (privileged) people suck. Glass Onion went further, I think, and made the explicit point that: Rich people will take and take and take and then discard you without ever doubting their right to do so. When you see past their self promotion they are shallow vapid fools. You cannot fight them in the courts or through the system because they have the resources to trample your truth under their lies. Institutions and people who know better will compromise themselves in pursuit of the golden tit. Your only option is BURN IT ALL DOWN. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/277 "2023-01-05T10:20:01Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > and share this critique, which argues that Glass Onion is not a whodunnit at all, but a thriller/heist movie in which Helen and Blanc put together and execute a scheme to steal Miles’ good name. …yeah, I read that last night, and I agree 100%. I think that also explains why, even though I think the first move was probably a “better” movie, I enjoyed the second one orders of magnitude better, because I love me a good heist. Leverage was always my favourite show on TV, not because it was (currently) seven seasons of non-stop-heists, but because they take on the rich and the powerful, and they always _win_. And in the world that we live in now, that’s all I really need out of my entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/278 "2023-01-05T11:15:40Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Did the invitation puzzles seem hard, or were they as easy as Benoit said (though obviously he never saw them)? They weren’t hard-hard, but they rattled through them way too quickly because frankly no one wants to watch people sitting around solving puzzles when they’re just a trivial distraction. I will admit that I was kind of hoping for a reappearance of Duke’s mother. She was freaking hilarious. And Helen’s Alexandrian approach to “solving” the box was brilliant. > [@iamatractorboy](#): > > Guessed the murderer but was surprised it was that simple. Which was kind of the point of Blanc’s rant about how _stupid_ Bron and his plan was. I mean, there’s clearly a potshot at the fanboys who insist their alpha tech / social media guru is playing 5D chess even when he’s doing incredibly stupid shit, but the twist here is literally that it’s not a cleverly planned murder plot at all, but just a lying dumbass winging it. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > First, Miles keeps it rather than destroying it… and even if he’s supposed to be kinda dumb that just seems beyond comprehension. Because then he gets asked why he didn’t just burn it, which he then does, much like the “gun on the table in the dark” thing. Because that’s the kind of idiot he is. Whereas Helen waves it around because she’s really pissed off. > [@flurb](#): > > His celebrity friends on the Zoom call also addressed him as Blanc. Quite a funny scene, but sad too. I note that there was a dedication to Lansbury and Sondheim in the credits. > [@Miller](#): > > Anyway, I got some surprising news about Liberace for y’all. Is it that he’s mad about what happened to his piano? > [@puzzlegal](#): > > What’s worse, i knew Benoit was coded as gay, because he acts like a gay man throughout the show. He wears a neckerchief and Manolo sandals. I’m just saying. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Thanks. That’s fun. (And i did recognize those names, except Natasha Lyonne. And I’ve seen Lyonne in orange is the new black.) I highly recommend _Russian Doll_ (Netflix) which Lyonne co-wrote and stars in, if you haven’t seen it. S1 in particular is fantastic. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > (My husband recognized Yoyo Ma, and Serena Williams, both of whom looked vaguely familiar to me. And the second time i watched it, i even noticed that it said something like “work out with Serena”, which would have been enough for me to place her. Were there other cameos?) Yo-yo Ma took me a moment - it’s been a long time since I’ve seen him and (like all of us) he’s aged. And it was “Fitness With Serena”. > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > My thought when I saw them was “Wow, Kareem better not buy any green bananas…” Ha! Me too! ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/279 "2023-01-05T13:45:00Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And the idiot billionaire? Actually was smart and ruthless enough to improvise a murder by anaphylaxis on the spot But the improvised murder was itself incredibly stupid and unnecessary. He panicked and thought he had to do it right away, which he didn’t, and the whole thing would’ve unraveled and made him the prime suspect the instant autopsy results came in. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388/280 "2023-01-05T14:04:32Z")
One of the videos I watched pointed out that early in the movie we learn that the guests were asked to provide a form with dietary restrictions, so that even if Bron didn’t already know about Duke’s allergy to pineapple from their long personal association, he got it from that form. Is fatal allergy to pineapple really a thing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery-was-in-theaters-nov-23-29-now-on-netflix-dec-23-2022/975388.md?page=15)