# Glee 1/24 Sadie Hawkins
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [January 26, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410 "2013-01-26T05:31:30Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/21 "2013-01-28T18:57:59Z")
BTW, _Glee_ is the most “made for DVR” show ever. The parts I want to see usually take 10 minutes.
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### Author:  [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/22 "2013-01-28T19:27:35Z")
> [@adhemar](#):
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> does it help that she is 27 years old?
Didn’t know that. But with Puck’s character being a high school graduate and Bunny (?) being a Grade 10 or something it STILL skeeved me out.
That and a bunch of high school kids singing “Your sex takes me to paradise.” WTF.
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### Author:  [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/23 "2013-01-28T21:44:46Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#):
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> Didn’t know that. But with Puck’s character being a high school graduate and Bunny (?) being a Grade 10 or something it STILL skeeved me out.
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> That and a bunch of high school kids singing “Your sex takes me to paradise.” WTF.
Puck is a very recent high school senior and the girl is high school sophomore? That’s not so creepy, is it? Unless Puck flunked a lot of grades, which is a possibility.
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### Author:  [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/24 "2013-01-28T21:54:00Z")
Puck is probably… 19? And Kitty is 16 if she’s a soph, which while slightly skeevy isn’t illegal in most states.
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### Author:  [@Loopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopus)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/25 "2013-01-28T23:55:22Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#):
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> Puck is probably… 19? And Kitty is 16 if she’s a soph, which while slightly skeevy isn’t illegal in most states.
Including Ohio, where the age of consent is 16 (something I felt compelled to look up back when Puck started boinking Rachel’s mom). Even if Kitty is 14 or 15 and Puck is 18 or 19, they could be close enough in age to be protected by Romeo and Juliet laws.
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### Author:  [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/26 "2013-01-29T00:36:19Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#):
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> I do realize glee doesn’t care about plot continuity or really anything unless it leads up to musical numbers (and in some small ways maybe that’s what I like it), but The Too Young to be Bitter Club? You had Lauren, Tina, and Sugar who have all been in serious relationships not that long ago (Heck, Tina had Artie and Mike fighting over her!). If I was the other members of that club, I’d be like what in the world are y’all bitter about?
Lauren has apparently been single since breaking up with Puck at the beginning of season three, so that’s more than a year. As for Tina, I figure she has a LOT to be bitter about, even if her love life has been pretty good until recently. She’s been paying her dues for over three years now, and was basically promised last season that this year – her senior year – she’d be the Alpha Female of New Directions. Instead she’s been reduced to throwing herself at Blaine just to get screen time.
Sugar’s presence was a mystery though, as I’m pretty sure it was established several episodes back that she and Artie were dating.
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#):
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> I couldn’t agree more. That and the fact that she has “I \<3 My Mom” written on her locker door.
This may actually be the single least plausible thing ever to happen on _Glee_, and this is a show that once has a major character marry herself. It’s particularly disappointing because they usually do a pretty good job decorating the lockers on this show. The idea “Marley loves her mom” could have been conveyed just as well by having, say, a photo of Marley hugging her mom instead of literally spelling it out for us.
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### Author:  [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/27 "2013-01-29T02:38:33Z")
Is it just me or is Puck looking exceptionally old lately? I’ve never really cared that the cast was that much older than the characters, but last week was particularly jarring. And I must just choose to be oblivious to all the plot inconsistencies, because I don’t find myself thinking much about them until I read these threads. 😛 But one of the things that bother me most is that they’ve turned Tina into a complete shrew. I get why she’s so bitter, but is it necessary to make her hateful to everyone, insensitive to those she ends up closest to and shrill every time she talks or sends a withering glance. Geez.
Disjointedness ahead! 😃
Also, will we see nothing of Emma since Will is off into the wild blue yonder? I suppose Quinn was only a one time reappearance too. I even thought they’d be bringing the others back more upon occasion, but I guess not. Plus, they need more Beiste. Oh, and what happened to Irish boy? I forget.
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### Author:  [@Loopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopus)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/28 "2013-01-29T02:59:25Z")
> [@Lamia](#):
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> As for Tina, I figure she has a LOT to be bitter about, even if her love life has been pretty good until recently. She’s been paying her dues for over three years now, and was basically promised last season that this year – her senior year – she’d be the Alpha Female of New Directions. Instead she’s been reduced to throwing herself at Blaine just to get screen time.
I find myself wondering sometimes if Tina is really a character, or if we’re just watching Jenna Ushkowitz freak out over having been a main character on a series for 3+ seasons, yet never having had a storyline of her own.
> [@faithfool](#):
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> But one of the things that bother me most is that they’ve turned Tina into a complete shrew. I get why she’s so bitter, but is it necessary to make her hateful to everyone, insensitive to those she ends up closest to and shrill every time she talks or sends a withering glance.
One thing I liked about seeing Tina being lovesick in this episode is that at least she was finally displaying an emotion other than rage this season.
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### Author:  [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/29 "2013-01-29T03:43:18Z")
> [@Loopus](#):
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> I find myself wondering sometimes if Tina is really a character, or if we’re just watching Jenna Ushkowitz freak out over having been a main character on a series for 3+ seasons, yet never having had a storyline of her own.
There are times when I feel like I only watch this show out of pity for the cast. I can imagine Jenna Ushkowitz getting her script and seeing that her one line in an episode is a complaint that Tina doesn’t get enough attention. “Gosh, I don’t know that I’m up to this. I mean, it’s going to be a REAL CHALLENGE for me as an actress to put myself in the place of a girl who’s angry that she HAS TO SIT IN THE BACKGROUND WEEK AFTER WEEK even though she LEFT BROADWAY TO DO THIS FREAKING SHOW.”
Similarly, I think Blaine’s behavior over the past year or so makes a lot more sense if one assumes he has (like Brittany) some awareness that he’s fictional…but only recently realized that he’s _not_ a major character but instead only exists as a love interest for Kurt and is terrified that he’s just going to disappear like that football player Mercedes was dating for a while.
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### Author:  [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/30 "2013-01-29T04:30:48Z")
> [@Lamia](#):
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> Lauren has apparently been single since breaking up with Puck at the beginning of season three, so that’s more than a year. As for Tina, I figure she has a LOT to be bitter about, even if her love life has been pretty good until recently. She’s been paying her dues for over three years now, and was basically promised last season that this year – her senior year – she’d be the Alpha Female of New Directions. Instead she’s been reduced to throwing herself at Blaine just to get screen time.
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> Sugar’s presence was a mystery though, as I’m pretty sure it was established several episodes back that she and Artie were dating.
Ok, I can see why Tina may be bitter about New Directions, but for Lauren - as you pointed out she broke up with Puck and it took Puck forever to get with her because Lauren didn’t need him. She went from not needing validation from a guy to being bitter because of what?
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### Author:  [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/31 "2013-01-29T22:07:40Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#):
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> Ok, I can see why Tina may be bitter about New Directions, but for Lauren - as you pointed out she broke up with Puck and it took Puck forever to get with her because Lauren didn’t need him. She went from not needing validation from a guy to being bitter because of what?
IIRC Laruen did tell Puck back in season two that (contrary to what he’d assumed) there were plenty of other guys interested in her. She said in “Sadie Hawkins” that since she’d dated Puck _no one_ had been interested.
I’m really not happy that this episode reduced Lauren – and a number of other female characters – to having her sense of self-worth rely entirely on male approval, but that is apparently the explanation for her bitterness.
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### Author:  [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)
#### Post date: [January 29, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/32 "2013-01-29T22:32:54Z")
> [@faithfool](#):
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> Also, will we see nothing of Emma since Will is off into the wild blue yonder?
Something tells me we’ll be seeing more of Emma soon…
…especially as Will and Emma’s wedding is set for the 2/14 episode; if I am reading Fox’s schedule correctly, the show then goes on hiatus until 4/4, with two-hour live Idol episodes followed by the hour-long season finale of Raising Hope (which is moved to Thursday that night as Hell’s Kitchen starts on Tuesdays on 3/12, in part to fill the hole caused by Ben & Kate’s abrupt cancellation).The next big question seems to be, will they dump McKinley pretty much entirely next season (now that the last of the original students would have left) and focus on NYADA? They can always give Will, Emma, and Sue a reason to find jobs in New York so they can stay on the show.
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### Author:  [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/33 "2013-01-30T01:20:22Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#):
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> The next big question seems to be, will they dump McKinley pretty much entirely next season (now that the last of the original students would have left) and focus on NYADA? They can always give Will, Emma, and Sue a reason to find jobs in New York so they can stay on the show.
I hope not, that NYADA stuff is the pits. Dumb as the Marley and newPuck featuring KittyQuinn stories are, they’re a lot more interesting than the Rachel and notFinn featuring Kate Hudson’s abs stories are.
And oldPuck and Kitty may only be a few years apart, but he looks old enough to be her dad, which is what makes them hooking up so totally skeevy. It’s like when that nobody from Lost married that 16 year old. YEEEEEEEEEEEUCK
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### Author:  [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)
#### Post date: [January 30, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-1-24-sadie-hawkins/648410/34 "2013-01-30T01:41:37Z")
> [@TBG](#):
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> Dumb as the Marley and newPuck featuring KittyQuinn stories are, they’re a lot more interesting than the Rachel and notFinn featuring Kate Hudson’s abs stories are.
I don’t disagree with you there, but if the whole show were set in New York then presumably other things would be going on and it wouldn’t just be a whole hour of Rachel’s dance class. They keep hinting that Santana may move to NYC, and I’d watch a show about Kurt and Santana in the big city.
At this point I would actually be fine with Rachel being cut from the show entirely, and really I think it would have been better if the last we’d seen of her had been her arrival in New York at the end of season three. I can understand why the writers would want to keep one of the best singers/actresses on the show a major character, but if they’re not going to do anything interesting with her then better to have her wheel her little suitcase off into the sunset. I would have trusted that she was going to do all right for herself.
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