# Glee: 2.07 "The Substitute" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 17, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932 "2010-11-17T00:46:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/21 "2010-11-17T17:24:40Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > Kurt and Blaine seem to be made for each other. But I’m still waiting for the other foot to drop. Mr Football winked at Kurt after the latest bashing. Perhaps they will somehow end up together rather than Blaine? Egad, I hope not. That would be the suckiest thing that ever sucked. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Worst Glee ever. I hate musicals, and somehow Glee manages to avoid the things that I hate about musicals, but this episode had them in spades. I cringed all the way through, “Make 'Em Laugh” and “All That Jazz.” I also hate Gwyneth Paltrow - it must have been in her contract to do the episode that it would be “Glee: The Gwyneth Paltrow Show.” The only thing that made it bearable was, as usual, Sue and Brittany (“Mr. Shue taught me the second half of the alphabet. I stopped at M and N because they were so similar and it frustrated me.”) > > AND IT’S FUCK YOU! OO-OO-OOOH! Stupid de-ballsing songs for broadcast tv. And yes, I know that’s the version that’s the hit song; I like the raunchy one better. I don’t agree one bit, but this post still gave me a good chuckle. I don’t care for Gwen Paltrow either, but I dug for once in this episode. I’d never even heard that “Forget You” song, but I enjoyed its performance in the episode. I’m a little Shuster-esque in my taste in horribly outdated music, but a fun song is a fun song. I’d rate the episode between “Meh” and “I liked it.” I’m one of those losers who doesn’t really care for the plot of Glee, but like when they sing. You’re right about Brittany and Sue, though: they are 100% responsible for bringing the funny into the show. Maybe we’ll give Kurt a 3% slice. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/22 "2010-11-17T17:48:21Z")
I’m surprised the writers of the show haven’t set up a Britney twitter account. I’d sign up for that. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/23 "2010-11-17T17:49:45Z")
I’m pretty sure this was my favorite episode of the season, which has been pretty disappointing so far. Gwyneth was impressive - up there with Harris and Chenowerth in terms of guest stars. And there was some Kurt, but it wasn’t the Kurt Show so that was good too. Could’ve used more Brit-Brit, though. ---
**Author:** ![2ply](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/b2d939/32.png) [@2ply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ply)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/24 "2010-11-17T17:59:01Z")
[http://twitter.com/BrittanyGLEE](http://twitter.com/BrittanyGLEE) [http://twitter.com/GLEEonFOX/glee-characters](http://twitter.com/GLEEonFOX/glee-characters) ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/25 "2010-11-17T18:06:50Z")
Yes! [QUOTE=BritannyGLEE] It seems to be getting dark an hour earlier. The vampires won. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/26 "2010-11-17T18:22:51Z")
Other than _Nowadays_ I thought the songs were forgettable (the _Make 'Em Laugh_ number might have been better had Joseph Gordon Levitt not done it last year on SNL and the _Singin’ in the Rain_ mash-up at the end was unwatchable). Plotwise though it was great, and Gabourey Sidibe’s _ **Cameo** _ was freaking brilliant. They must have edited out Sam’s shirtless scenes. I’ve never been a Gwyneth Paltrow fan or a Gwyneth Paltrow non-fan- she’s just kind of there, doesn’t embarrass herself or usually really stand out either in the movies I’ve seen (my favorite role was an early one- TJ’s daughter in _Jefferson in Paris_) but she was outstanding in this. I think she deserves and Emmy and wouldn’t mind at all seeing her added at least as a recurring character. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/27 "2010-11-17T18:36:35Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > Once again, I only got to see a few minutes. I was annoyed by the “Mr. Shue doesn’t let us sing anything modern/pick our own songs”, in order to fit the plot of the week. Every week he asks them go come up with their own song ideas. This could go either way. It could get annoying if it’s just done arbitrarily to fit the needs of the plot. But if the writers are clever they could do some fun things with the ‘unreliable narrator’ trope. HIMYM has used it to good effect. I did find it amusing when they showed Shue supposedly saying “good news, I found another Journey song!” ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/28 "2010-11-17T18:41:09Z")
> [@2ply](#): > > [http://twitter.com/BrittanyGLEE](http://twitter.com/BrittanyGLEE) > > [http://twitter.com/GLEEonFOX/glee-characters](http://twitter.com/GLEEonFOX/glee-characters) I did not know those existed. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![ptr2void](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ptr2void/32/3406_2.png) [@ptr2void](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ptr2void)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/29 "2010-11-17T19:56:09Z")
Toilet Brush? LOL I think Gwyneth was really good…very impressed with her Spanish! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/30 "2010-11-17T20:31:16Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Other than _Nowadays_ I thought the songs were forgettable (the _Make 'Em Laugh_ number might have been better had Joseph Gordon Levitt not done it last year on SNL and the _Singin’ in the Rain_ mash-up at the end was unwatchable). I agree with this - _Make 'Em Laugh_ would have been better if I had not seen JGL nail it so recently; he did it better than these two. And I didn’t care for the rain mashup. I thought Paltrow’s numbers were the highlights. I was even inspired to get out my _Chicago_ DVD to watch the _Nowadays_ number but apparently I loaned my DVD to someone! Aurgh! ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/31 "2010-11-17T22:27:23Z")
Paltrow was amazing! ---
**Author:** ![FallenAngel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@FallenAngel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FallenAngel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/32 "2010-11-17T23:02:45Z")
Even though that Umbrella/Singing in the Rain mashup was atrocious musically, the production was fantastic. I’m not a Paltrow fan overall, but she did a great job in this episode. Overall, this may be my favorite episode to date. ---
**Author:** ![LegsAkimbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f1d935/32.png) [@LegsAkimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LegsAkimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/33 "2010-11-17T23:38:03Z")
Loved the last dance. Haven’t seen water used so well since Flashdance. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/34 "2010-11-18T00:15:46Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] PS: You left out “Oh, a tiny purse just fell out of my mouth. How gay is that?” [/QUOTE] That was flipping hysterical. (For those who aren’t familiar, “He opened his mouth and his purse fell out” is gay slang for “he starts talking and any doubt he’s gay instantly vanishes”.) Surely they won’t do a romance between him and closet jock, that would be wrong for a million different reasons. I’m just hoping they don’t do a gaybashing cliffhanger. (We know they won’t kill off Kurt obviously but something like the Season 1 _Queer as Folk_ baseball bat cliffhanger would be way too buzzkill.) At the same time you know they’re not going to leave it alone. I used to find absolutely nothing remotely good looking about Kurt or the actor who plays him. (I should perhaps mention I don’t usually like skinny guys unless they’re really toned like Mike Chang.) Somehow he’s growing on me though and is actually quite handsome in certain scenes. Also dances a lot better than he did at the beginning of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/35 "2010-11-18T02:54:42Z")
I think they will probably go a different way with the closeted jock - since he is trying to convince himself that Kurt kissed _him_, it seems more likely that the jock will beat Kurt up and possibly blame Kurt for coming onto him. So, most of you liked it, eh? I don’t know what you’re seeing in it; it just basically annoyed me from beginning to end. And Shue’s treatment of his ex-wife; yeah, she’s crazy; the way he blew her off the next day was cold. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/36 "2010-11-18T04:19:51Z")
**Cat Whisperer** , I’m not at all clear why someone who doesn’t like musicals would be watching this show – what is it that you like about it? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/37 "2010-11-18T04:51:22Z")
I’m not sure why I like it, either - I find musicals cloying and lame, but this show seems funny and interesting to me (usually). I like the ridiculousness and the winking at the camera that they have a pianist ready to start playing at any time, I like the way you’re never sure if they’re actually performing on stage or if they’re just imagining something, I like the humour and the \* joie de vivre\*. Maybe it’s because they usually do more modern songs, not silly ones like “Singing in the Rain.” Show tunes are just so…show tuney. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/38 "2010-11-18T04:55:28Z")
> [@WouSampiro](#): > > That was flipping hysterical. (For those who aren’t familiar, “He opened his mouth and his purse fell out” is gay slang for “he starts talking and any doubt he’s gay instantly vanishes”.) Does Lonely Planet do a Gay:English phrasebook? Maybe an app? 😃 > [@](#): > > I used to find absolutely nothing remotely good looking about Kurt or the actor who plays him. He’s filling out nicely, but he looks like his adult teeth never came in. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I think they will probably go a different way with the closeted jock - since he is trying to convince himself that Kurt kissed _him_, it seems more likely that the jock will beat Kurt up and possibly blame Kurt for coming onto him. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. But then, I was surprised when the big meathead kissed Kurt, so not only do I need that phrasebook, I need major calibration on the old 'dar. But I’m still thinking Puck’s ongoing concern about Finn going gay may be more about hope than worry. ---
**Author:** ![Grapefruit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@Grapefruit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grapefruit)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/39 "2010-11-18T05:17:20Z")
The show was decent once I got my suspension of disbelief settled into place\*. Has Gwyneth Paltrow always looked so old or is it because she was standing beside a whole bunch of kids? At any rate, it showed off her flakiness quite well. The Umbrella/Singing in the Rain number was great. I live in a city that rains a lot, so I can wait to go outside and make splashes in the same showy manner! Oh, and I just loved how the show was poking fun of Will but subversively poking fun of itself with the Journey comments. “Come on guys, there has to be a Journey song we haven’t done yet!” LOL \*I mean, seriously, with a dysfunctional school like McKinley High, I thought Will would have his union rep’s number on speed dial by now. I know, Glee world is not real world (see Artie on the football team)… but geez, there are specific rules in place to prevent subs from usurping a teacher’s job just because he was sick! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932/40 "2010-11-18T05:57:33Z")
The important thing is that the show had a bunch of Sue. I swear, I’d watch the show if it were just 45 minutes of her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-07-the-substitute-open-spoilers/560932.md?page=3)